Casper Posted April 18, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 You know nothing about the military if you think that Obama could have pulled out of Iraq and Afghanistan or even shut down Guantanamo already. Going in is easy pulling out is hard...just ask your Dad. His promise, not mine. I never said you're a Bush supporter, but you compared two unalike numbers claiming Obama is causing even larger debt growth already in his term compared to Bush without taking into account the increased accountability of spending in some big areas. I'm comparing Apples to Apples. 8 years of Bush, including Iraq and Afghanistan. I'm not omitting anything. Obama is worse than Bush. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disclaimer Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 I can't tell you because it wouldn't be "thinking for myself" -- I post links to validate my opinions and I'm part of the sheeple, only repeating what "they" want me to learn, whoever THEY is like my contrasting ideas are part of some big conspiracy theory that I haven't been clued in on.Must be that liberal education I got. I know how engineering, business, and information system degrees are known as 'liberal arts' -- and I'm none too pleased about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fusion Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 His promise, not mine. I'm comparing Apples to Apples. 8 years of Bush, including Iraq and Afghanistan. I'm not omitting anything. Obama is worse than Bush.The debt figures didn't include the things I mentioned like Iraq and Afghanistan prior to Obama, it's one of the changes they made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casper Posted April 18, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 I can't tell you because it wouldn't be "thinking for myself" -- I post links to validate my opinions and I'm part of the sheeple, only repeating what "they" want me to learn, whoever THEY is like my contrasting ideas are part of some big conspiracy theory that I haven't been clued in on.Must be that liberal education I got.Posting links to blogs about the rich running the government isn't throwing out ideas. Instead, you pull the typical Democrat/Republican move, just attack your opposition instead of actually offering anything worth wild. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RFM Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 The debt figures didn't include the things I mentioned like Iraq and Afghanistan prior to Obama, it's one of the changes they made.I remember reading that too. Can you cite the source? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casper Posted April 18, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 The debt figures didn't include the things I mentioned like Iraq and Afghanistan prior to Obama, it's one of the changes they made.I thought they weren't included in the military budget numbers, but were included in the overall debt calculations. If I'm wrong, then I definitely apologize. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disclaimer Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 Posting links to blogs about the rich running the government isn't throwing out ideas. Instead, you pull the typical Democrat/Republican move, just attack your opposition instead of actually offering anything worth wild.Well, you apparently missed my link on why you shouldn't even give a sh*t because you're NOT rich and statistically change happens when the RICH want it to happen.Government of the rich, by the rich, for the richhttp://www.economist.com/blogs/freee...itical_economyBuried in that link, you'll find this from Princeton:Inequality and Democratic Responsiveness in the United Stateshttp://www.princeton.edu/~piirs/events/PU%20Comparative%20Conf%20May%202007%20Gilens.pdfHappy reading, unless you don't think that paper isn't an academic paper since somehow linking it from the economist blog section invalidates the research somehow?So my solution.... get rich and call the shots. Until then, enjoy your ride. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fusion Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 I remember reading that too. Can you cite the source? Yeah it was talked about quite a bit when the changes were made. I'll see if I can't dig it up later if I have time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fusion Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 I thought they weren't included in the military budget numbers, but were included in the overall debt calculations. If I'm wrong, then I definitely apologize.Iraq/Afghanistan, chunks of Medicare spending, and a couple of other items weren't being included under the overall debt calculations. If I get time later I'll see if I can dig up the info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevysoldier Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 Sort of. It was limited to young, single men and the money went to their parents. In it's form, it worked very well. Only reason it doesn't exist still is because the depression was ending, leaving less unemployed, and the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor, sending us into war.I couldn't remember specifics of it. I do know my mom's dad was in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kawi kid Posted April 19, 2011 Report Share Posted April 19, 2011 I was surprised to hear today that 47% of americans pay nothing in taxes if i remember correctly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kawi kid Posted April 19, 2011 Report Share Posted April 19, 2011 http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/for-richest-federal-taxes-have-gone-down-for-some-in-us-theyre-nonexistent/2011/04/17/AFx6LCwD_story.htmlThis is where I think i saw it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casper Posted April 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 19, 2011 I couldn't remember specifics of it. I do know my mom's dad was in it.It was a great program. It's a shame it died. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mello dude Posted April 19, 2011 Report Share Posted April 19, 2011 (edited) The mess of it is - even with the talk of 4 trillion by BO or 6 trillion cuts by the Republicans over 10 years, that is still an annual trillion dollar deficit spending. So, the 14.2 trillion debt keeps going up.The current federal revenue is roughly at 2.2 trillion. And the interest on the debt annually at the moment is 413 billion - at about 18 percent of revenue. Money pissed into the wind. You can figure that revenue will go up at a 2-3% but the debt and interest are going up at a faster rate than that. So there is a convergence of revenue and interest. The interest will creep up as a percentage of revenue. 20%, 25% etc. Now, I'm not smart enough to say, but somewhere in there - (30%? 40%?) the world banks, countrys, i.e. China will decide that the Americans are full of it and can only default and will not buy Treasurys or lend the US any more money. That will very ugly. It will make the last recession look like a party. That's the current slow train we are on. It may be 12 or 18 years out, but we are moving that way. So, Democrat or Republican, its time you kick your senator or representative in the backside and tell them to get real on spending reductions. Edited April 19, 2011 by mello dude 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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