blue03636 Posted March 18, 2012 Report Share Posted March 18, 2012 What I don't want is to be stuck in an all day parade like Moto Series or STT Novice groups.Judging by this comment your not taking the novice program for what it's for. Novice shouldn't be a free for all, it's for learning and progressing. The follow the leader thing is to make sure your working on drills to help with progression and not just out there riding around. If you do have a problem with the follow the leader then your in the wrong novice group. There are usually 1-2 groups riding faster than a good bit of I riders. As for going to a new track, if you would ride I elsewhere then then you should be riding I at a new track. There are coaches there to show you the line and your abilities shouldn't change from track to track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mykill Posted March 18, 2012 Report Share Posted March 18, 2012 I've run about 10 track days. Judging by this comment your not taking the novice program for what it's for. Novice shouldn't be a free for all, it's for learning and progressing. The follow the leader thing is to make sure your working on drills to help with progression and not just out there riding around. If you do have a problem with the follow the leader then your in the wrong novice group. There are usually 1-2 groups riding faster than a good bit of I riders. As for going to a new track, if you would ride I elsewhere then then you should be riding I at a new track. There are coaches there to show you the line and your abilities shouldn't change from track to track.^This...and really 10 TDs and your still in Novice? Ive ran 5 total now (2 in the rain) and basically ballin through the recession.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwiztedRabbit Posted March 18, 2012 Report Share Posted March 18, 2012 & i tend to agree.. but some people even after 10 days are not ready for I.... some after 1 track day are ready for I everyones personal progression is diff.. we all cant be supermen like mike but i really agree with craig your skills shouldn't change from track to track. if your riding I then you should be able to ride I at another track just fine. if you are however worried about your skills in I at a track like mid ohio then maybe you shouldn't have been in I in the first place? just sayin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madcat6183 Posted March 18, 2012 Report Share Posted March 18, 2012 I love lamp. I think we've covered this topic 100 times before too, about moving up, not moving up etc. I ride I anywhere I go, even if I haven't seen the track. I know I will be 10-20 seconds slower the first session than the end of the day. Literally, I was 20 seconds faster last Tuesday than I was on the Monday, 1 day before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwiztedRabbit Posted March 18, 2012 Report Share Posted March 18, 2012 I love lamp. I think we've covered this topic 100 times before too, about moving up, not moving up etc. I ride I anywhere I go, even if I haven't seen the track. I know I will be 10-20 seconds slower the first session than the end of the day. Literally, I was 20 seconds faster last Tuesday than I was on the Monday, 1 day before.qouted for truf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moto-Brian Posted March 18, 2012 Report Share Posted March 18, 2012 Echo a few things here. If you are "I" at Mid-Ohio and go to Nelson you've never been to before, you should run "I" there also. This stuff where riders sign up for the lower step group because they feel they cannot get ahold of the track are not really ready then for the group they bumped down from...For example, a lot of guys run "I" group due to not knowing the track and are "A" riders. In my mind, you are what you are. An "A" rider, rides "A" group. If not, they are essentially wasting time as it shouldn't take very long to learn a track. I never raced at Beaver Run until last year with Moto-Series. Did I ask to bump down to Novice group and race Novice for the event so I could learn? Nope... You ride with the group your ability is based for. With ability increase, comes learning things quicker...If you think Novice is a parade lap, bump to the fastest group in Novice and let a coach watch and evaluate. Typically, if you think you are fast enough, you probably aren't. It isn't an insult, but those riders that feel they are not getting anything from Novice group or are in "I" and "slaying" everyone or I hear "I passed everyone in that group and need to move up". Well, that's not a reason to move up. You move up when things you do come easier, you are able to ride within a GREATER amount of comfort and make decisions that are clear and precise. Lap times and passing everyone doesn't always make you ready. It has to be ability and that reserve I have always referred to. If the reserve isn't there, you are going to get in over your head at the next level. That isn't any fun, but it is also unsafe...Get with a coach and work on what you are doing. Listen to constructive criticism. Take what you are told and apply. When you can take those things, recognize what the issues are and apply everything and get better. THEN, you are ready...It's like racing. Just because you can pull a magic lap time that is where maybe the back pack of novices run and feel you are ready to start racing, understand that racing and track days are about as far apart as the moon is to earth. You dive in head first without working on skills before you do, it can be very rough.BUT, that being said, I think racing excels a rider's skill much faster than track days will. I believe that a basic understanding of the fundamentals is essential and if you have those, you can do well racing. Many guys on here are racing and you don't have to be setting lap records to be a racer. However, I think if you aren't ready, you should wait. But, I see guys like Nick, Craig, Madcat, Grape and others that are racing as novices and I have watched guys like Craig excel, guys like Nick get smoother and choosing good lines, guys like Madcat that have a nice ass and guys like Grape that stay consistent and predictable and allow for their abilities to grow. That's 4 guys that I think have different levels of ability and yet, they are all in where I feel is a good place. I think they went into racing correctly and even though they aren't Rossis like Flounder, they are all advancing and I have watched them all and think they are gonna be alright. But, know the secret? None of them are arrogant and think they know enough. They all learn and they all apply and they are all advancing because of it. Sorry for the rant. We all start somewhere. We all started as novices and moved up. Some faster than others. Some got better, some got worse, some stop all together. No matter what or where riders start and end, they all were at the bottom for some period of time and worked up.Even Rossi... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue03636 Posted March 18, 2012 Report Share Posted March 18, 2012 ^I got nothing to add to this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwiztedRabbit Posted March 18, 2012 Report Share Posted March 18, 2012 ^ there is nothing TO add Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue03636 Posted March 18, 2012 Report Share Posted March 18, 2012 Brian, thanks for the kind words. Racing has really helped me step up my game. Some day when you 60 and slowing down I might be able to keep up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r1crusher Posted March 18, 2012 Report Share Posted March 18, 2012 I'm calling Brian out on the Craig excelling. It's not hard to win when you're racing with a bunch of novice guys. This year will be a better measure of his skills I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue03636 Posted March 18, 2012 Report Share Posted March 18, 2012 I'm calling Brian out on the Craig excelling. It's not hard to win when you're racing with a bunch of novice guys. This year will be a better measure of his skills I think.Are you coming out, we need a new back marker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r1crusher Posted March 18, 2012 Report Share Posted March 18, 2012 Trust me, if I didn't have to dump $3k into my stupid truck you wouldn't be asking me that question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madcat6183 Posted March 18, 2012 Report Share Posted March 18, 2012 So from here on out, when anyone asks what group to run at a new track etc. I will simply redirect them to Brian's post. There was thought and direction to that, not like all the rests of us adding bits and pieces to try to explain things.And yes, I squat weekly, and do a lot of Romanian dead lifts and just found the butt blaster machine at the gym, so my glute's and ham strings are getting even better. Hopefully some of the guys on the track will only be seeing that side of me as they try to pass me this year lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grapesmuggler27 Posted March 18, 2012 Report Share Posted March 18, 2012 Are you coming out, we need a new back marker. this makes me sad as your already looking for my replacement and yes John does have a REALLY nice ass wrapped in leather mmmmmmmm :takeit: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r1crusher Posted March 18, 2012 Report Share Posted March 18, 2012 I'd image swapping out some burgers for salads would help you more madcat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madcat6183 Posted March 19, 2012 Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 Nah bro, gotta keep the white meat coming. Chicken off the grill 2 hrs ago for the week. I mean what'd you think I was talking about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r1crusher Posted March 19, 2012 Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 LOL. I read somewhere that you had a big ass. Just figured I'd help you lighten the load a little. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwiztedRabbit Posted March 19, 2012 Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 naw.. i think its just the right size for a guy like john... i had the pleasure of following him a few laps at jennings you know just to "watch his lines" then he looked at mine... lines that is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue03636 Posted March 19, 2012 Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 John tries to stick as much white meat in his mouth as possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madcat6183 Posted March 19, 2012 Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 John tries to stick as much white meat in his mouth as possible.This is true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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