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As someone who has my own business, the 5,000+ readers is not a win for you. It is quite the opposite. I saw you said losing OR members will not hurt your business. In fact, it will greatly hurt your business. Do you honestly believe that any of those 5,000 readers will still come to you to buy after reading this? What about their friends and friends of friends? The market is small and the competition is fierce. You can rant and rave about your prices but 90% of what you have to sell to get and keep a customer is yourself. I don't care if you want to sell me a $200 tire for $50, I will not buy from you. You have made a bad name for yourself in the only market you are targeting. Since you are in Cincy, I am a part of that market, my brother is a part of that market, and a few of our friends are. By me seeing this thread and your lack of professionalism and respect for others I will make sure my immediate group of motorcycle friends will not go to your shop. Ironically, a few of them were members of your website until I told them about OR. You're in deep because of you, not because of your pursuit of a business or lack of advertising. It is you, and only you. When you are the face of a business everything you say reflects on your business, whether it is a personal issue or not. I respect your attempt at starting a business but to be honest, you have doomed this one from the start. I may be a n00b rider and a n00b to this forum but if there's one thing I know it's business ethics. And dude... You're doing it wrong

I've been watching this for a while now from AFJ. Not really sure what to add, but this is really bizarre to say the least. Personally, I'm all about making connections in the motorcycle community and picking up anything I can along the way to get better. I don't care what forum you're on or whatever. If we have something we can learn from each other, then why not use it? As far as this thread is concerned though, I have no horse in this race. I like Brandon, he's always willing to help me out and I appreciate him for that. His reaction to Ben is his business, I don't have anything to do with it. Those two don't like each other. It happens. I've learned a lot from guys you have here like Brian-KTM, and I have learned a lot from guys at AFJ. The "us vs. them" thing is bullshit. We live in Ohio. This isn't some biker gang turf war. Brandon and Ben don't like each other and are going to spar. That's the long and the short of it. Not that anyone cares what I think.

I dont know the dark history betwix AFJ/ORDN as I've only been a member here a tick over a year, and there's no way I'm going digging for that bone after wasting the last few hours reading this tapestry of taintstains.......what I do know NOW is Ben has a Masters degree in maturity, business ethics, and basic human behavior -- whereas Brandon is still fighting his way through 3rd grade, for the 4th time, at his 5th school, to get his certificate in reality. This may have nothing to do with how Brandon might actually conduct business, nor discredit his mechanical aptitude with motorcycle repair/tuning. Some businesses just have broken owners/operators in its ranks - world's quirpy like that. Even Einstein was a fuckup sometimes, eclectic personalities show once in a while. I have no personal opinion towards AFJ and their antics, but I do know some guys that act in the same light as they're being described here -- gotta say, sounds entertaining to watch now and then since we all need humor in our lives. Nothing I want to be part of, but rendered for the spectating value alone? Eh, maybe a good story. Here's my point........QUIT FOOTFUCKIN' YOURSELF IN THE FACE ANUS.......Act the fool, and you'll create a foolish following

There is plenty of BS on this site. You have spew a bunch of it over the years then feel like you are attacked and go back over to AFJ and bitch about everyone here. Its not a power trip it is the rules of this privately owned. There is no place for personal threats, slandering of people or speaking down to another mans wife in the adult world. You feel the need to stick it to "The Man" because of your childish rebellious nature. Even tho you are only making your self look like a fool. You have contradicted yourself so many times in both this thread and the thread you post on AFJ crying for attention from your faithful followers.

[quote=GrapeApeGuy;8175 CBR WHORE.... no we wont go away I have a huge issue with this. You come on a public forum and bash women you don't even know, what kind of man does this? It doesn't matter who she is or is not married to. I have meet her and she is a true lady.

brandon what's this I hear about you guys bragging about "ramming" guys at the track? I've heard it from more than one person that you guys get high and go out on the track too. if more than one person is talking about it, it must be true. I've never really bad mouthed anyone on the afj site but when I see how many of the members that really believe some of you are stand up guys in all aspects of life it makes me feel bad they're so naive to all the stuff I hear about some of you. I'm not saying any of what I hear is true but seriously if more than one person (that doesn't know each other) is saying it...there has to be some kind of truth to it. when people get a little drink in them lips start flapping at your parties. that's where things get said that these people are hearing.

Just me still trying to get you to see the whole picture.

I dont hate you Brandon, I just think you act like a girl. Men dont talk shit about people behind their backs and then act all sweet to their faces. Only bitches do that. I just find you very annoying like I do other stupid bitches.

Not sure who you are talking to here but Max and I have both met you and we were severely disappointed with your lack of awesomeness.

Grapeapeguy- you seem like the type of person whose been wearing a helmet everywhere you go long before you started riding.

Found this and it made me laugh. Have no idea who made it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-_ipr7JP4E&list=UUajoaokeRCFHsbhoLpcIKJA&index=6&feature=plcp

Happy birthday and happy easter.

I wonder if the other site has a better rep system? I know they don't ban people or close threads.

It would allow is to continue posting in it, in turn pissing you off even more.

Fuuuhhg! I mean really. Who can remember all this shit. It just keeps piling up. We need a flow chart.

If I had an ounce of motivation I'd totally pull a spreadingsantorum with AFJ... but honestly... I just don't care

Yes even for someone in short statue like yourself.

Have you been reading pm's again?

Oh shit I forgot all about Sonny. He'll prolly be the next one to come along to tell us how fucked up we are.

Damn Nick......drink and smoke much?

At least your gf or wife wasn't called a whore. That's pretty low.

It's site. You have been around firearms for to long. BTW you should have came to the range.

For the record I was the the biggest opposition against the sponsorship. You caused toooooo much drama and haven't proved to be mature enough to be even considered in my opinion. I knew your colors would show through again eventually and low and behold here we re right back to where we were when you would have a few beers and strt to spew ingnorance. I prob should thank you cuz I really like it when I'm right. All the other mods are hating it Again thanks for being the true tool you really are. Run back to your site and cry cuz big mean Casper won't let your write your name on the sandbox, I'm sure your members will inflate your ego again in no time.

http://youtube/AA5DsLzSVrk

^ this. It's not the owls fault dub guy bought a dog that usually women only get to carry in their purses.

Chupacabra!!!!!!

Thanks guys! the kind words are certainly an encouragement to see it through and possibly do some different things along the way I'm sure you can learn if you are interested enough. Feel free to ask any questions if you're curious. I learned everything through just reading as much as I can (service manuals especially) and simple trial and error. I replaced my first bike's transmission and learned a lot even though it took forever; slow and steady wins the race.

see how mentally developed the member base is?

Every time I've ordered ice cream I demand it is not handed to me but rather tucked into the waitresses waistband. This allows me to see how much she likes me and decide how much I'll tip. If its tucked near the hip she dislikes me = a small tip. If its tucked in her ass crack she likes me and gets a big tip. If its tucked upfront she's a whore and gets my digits.

At the risk of having to call myself a pacifying pussy. Fuck yeah! Quoted from their site. I will have to say this is a fair assessment of the situation. Can someone who posted on the first page please edit their post to include the link to their thread about this latest drama. I'm tired of having to go to page 12 to find the link.

not really. I don't even remember it. the only person that ever made me mad was monger. and since I'm a grown up I forgot all about it. I simply don't like some of you. you rub me the wrong way. I think it's your chest thumbing drunk frat guy mentalities. and asinine way you guys show off. there I said it. now the air is clear.

LIES!!! YOU'VE BEEN GIVEN ICE CREAMZ!!!

By the way, the way your members are talking about my wife is an embarrassment to AFJ and your shop.

Next weekend? You off? Prolly could on Sunday.

Success is limited by his customer base. Sure, he could probably make enough money to live off of and live off of comfortably but if his hopes for his business is to expand and make millions... I just don't see it happening. Not in Ohio at least. It's one thing to piss off a few customers (you can never please them all) , it's quite another to alienate an entire customer base in a small market. If I had advice for gixxie it would be to change your act, treat all members and potential customers with respect, keep opinions to yourself, and always remember... "time heals all wounds." Keep the business going and in the next 5 years you may see many of these OR members change their tune. As of right now though, you're working backwards.

Worst thread of all times.

I hear they want to crash one of our planned rides. That would be so cool, the more the merrier. I just might plan another scooter ride this summer, everyone is welcome.

Holy crap that is ridiculous! Hahaha ...this thread sucks. I know for a fact, that if we all lived in the same city/area, this nonsense wouldn't be happenning. We'd all be meeting every Sunday to go ride.

Be assphault junkies, cant win races with talent...run them off the track

Job.

do a nice big ol burnout to level it out:D

True story.

Just towards you and your little gay minions. I dont care for two-faced bitches.

Happy Easter

Go away! Please?

Yikes, she turned into fuckin crakula!

Son of a bitch, lol. I was doing what little I could to help make it a good day for the wife. Thanks for coming out it was very exhausting and I am glad its finally over. I figure I wont be able to walk for a week.

Most awesome license plate ever!