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I appreciate the kind words @NinjaDocif I remember correctly your bike had some damage to it from your first group ride yet you were back out there trying again. That willingness will always be met with help as long as there is potential, some people shouldn't ride, and you weren't one of them. @jschaf is correct about the usual pace being intermediate trackday without the straights speeds. Every one of the guys that ride in the faster group is capable of leading the group and keeping everyone entertained and safe. They all are approachable and willing to help other riders with tips or techniques, some are even good at it. Speed is not the ultimate goal of a ride, having fun is. The slowest guy in the slow group and the fastest guy in the fast group should be having the same amount of fun or everyone is doing it wrong. Riding within your acquired skillset at an entertaining pace shouldn't put you or others in danger. Those skills come from several sources and take several years plus not all results are equal. Being one of the fast guys doesn't give you any virtue over anyone else. You can be fast and be an asshole so being fast isn't something that makes you better than others at all things in life. One of the guys that currently rides with the fast group was asked to leave one of these rides years ago because he didn't belong riding with the group he had chosen. If the group is doing its job this is how it should be. I hope he can retell the story but my take on it is that he was unsafe for others around him and to himself. That got fixed with time and him listening to others with more experience that were willing to help him. This ride will have the same opportunities for everyone to have fun and learn from others. I can guarantee that the fast group won't be going Mach Retard by their estimations even though it may seem that way to the less experienced riders. My recollection of the Mach Retard ride is similar to @jschaf in that it isn't how you ride in groups but rather on your own when you know that it isn't how you are supposed to ride on the streets. I went out one day on my own riding fast to clear my head and accidently ran across MidgetTodd and Hutch at a gas stop along with another rider. I told them clearly that they could ride with me but it wouldn't be a group ride and that they would be on their own. Long story short the guy that was riding with them wrecked and in some part I felt at fault because I knew better. Group rides have rules for a reason yet they can still be fun. I do ride with the fast group most of the time but by no means am the fastest rider. I have had a rider on this forum lose me so badly in nine miles that he was waiting for me with his helmet and gloves off when I finally made it to the stop. On our return trip down that road he was passed by an even faster rider. No matter how fast you are there is always someone faster which leads back to speed not being the ultimate goal or necessary for a good time. This clique thing is perplexing to me, having rode with and tried to help as many riders here that I can while also knowing many other riders that do the same thing I find the accusation without merit.

Yup, so I read the epic ride thread. I just feel like if you guys are gonna stir shit up, it should be with more gusto, and you really should finish strong, not putter off into some lame "waaahhhhh take it to another thread" bullshit. No, you should finish where you entered. You always creampie. Nobody clicks on the creampie category and then bails out to facial. Nobody.

I dunno what this is all about, you bishes are on your own.

the world is lucky i never had one. it's basically drunk karaoke except i only know 7% of the words, and make up most blanks with meowing.

I am the asshole I am today because of all of you (you know who you are). Just sayin.

Fuck this, I'm outnumbered. The "Clique" unites. Need to stop picking fights with white people!

How it really is:

Want to be a mod? Post up. The existing mods/admins will pick five people from this thread to throw up in a poll. Popular vote wins. Disclaimer: This is not a paid position. People will hate you. If you don't do enough, people will complain. If you do too much, people will complain. It's almost completely under appreciated. You may get spit on at events and called a nazi. You may suddenly develop a fetish for Lycra and bicycles. You may suddenly develop nosebleeds. No returns or exchanges. Cancellation at anytime should be expected.

I'm in. Just because @Uncle Punk hates the mods...

I should definitely be a mod. Bitches

I was probably pooping when I made you a mod. Explains the shitty decision.

Probably the only time your head is out of your ass.

We could put you in charge of the cycling forum to piss off Pauly.

People already hate me, let's do this

Better put them on a milk carton...

I choose to only ride with level headed riders. So, I guess that's my clique. Much of the time it's level headed fast riders. Sometimes it's other level header riders, some of them working on on technique or what not. When someone starts spouting off a bunch of dumb shit, however, I tend to think there is something trying to be proven. It makes me think they probably aren't a level headed rider. So, in that case they probably aren't in my "clique."

I hate this place. The mods suck and abuse their power.

Now @jbot needs to drop some knowledge!

An SV1000 is hardly a liter bike. For a bike to be a proper liter bike it has to be an I4, otherwise it's just too slow and not scary. I don't want to hear about no damn big bore I4 out of your mouth either.

Why not. With winter coming it should be fun. In

My first group ride ever was with Uncle Punk. I also started out on a liter bike. Respect the anamoly and check your egos. I'm getting the sniffles with all this nostalgia.

Why is Casper singling me out in the OP?

Have to use the .gif

I'd rather slam my fingers in a car door.

I am the rider I am today because of all of you (you know who you are). Just sayin. I remember my first group ride with you guys. Jumped right into a group I had no business riding with. Yet @Al Z. Heimer and @dpgasser volunteered to sweep me. I learned a lot that day, not so much riding wise (since you guys were so far ahead) but mentally, I knew I had a long way to go. I have a long ways to go still. But my views and attitudes have changed over the years because of the people I've surrounded myself with in this riding community. I'd like to think I've come some ways since that first day of "real" riding. /sappyshit

I go on the road for 5 weeks and this is where we end up? And goddammit IP, I wanted that your.

Shit, he mentioned the general ride area. And even worst he mentioned the meet point by city name. All theLEO's have to do is put the chopter up over the east side and watch for the huge group of sport bikers. I suggest you change the city meet point to 'East Astana'. That is the capital of Kazakhstan, and change the general route area to 'South East Kazakhstan (Mohammed's Country)' HTH

So the pokemon killed your bulb, which caused you to discover the missing cap. They saved your life man.

I disagree. This is pure genius on @Isaac's Papa part. He is using his mod powers to help @0hi0 keep his ride plans a secret from the leo's. This is modding at its best.

Smart girl, other than the part where she married you.

I got a Sena for that very reason.

How it should be:

You doing a tech inspection on everyone's bike and gear too? No love for cruisers?

Really hard to take anything seriously when that's you're closing argument. Like totally. ?

You can only wrestle with a pig in shit so long until you realize the pig enjoys it. Every drama involved in a thread lately has a common denominator.

am I allowed to go mach retard too? actually thought about throwing the street stuff on the Pani and joining in the fun

@jschaf sorry didn't mean it as an negative, like Tonik said more than 90% of the forum regulars know u guys do the fastest and yet one of the safest group rides. The name was just a funny yet respectful name, and in its own way describe and warn other "new guys " to keep away unless they have couple of seasons under their belt. I rode with a ton of different kind of group so far and by far u guys have been the fastest and yet least squidly. And some thing peculiar to OR is almost all are atgatt and most group rides follow the "pace" principle. Once in a while you get the occasional guy on high powered bike blistering down the straights in max speed and breaking hard and snailing through the corners. In short, u guys ride really fast, but safe not denying that. Having said that your group ride needs to be treated with more caution and respect and only seasoned riders or guys with extremely level head should venture to join for their own sake. This doesn't mean other newbies shouldn't, as all of you have been super friendly and help out the newest of new guys any day. I still remember @Uncle Punk sacrificing his whole ride to baby sit behind me at snail pace on my second ever group ride years ago. Will never forget that help and advice punk. Now after hearing this all the time, Two words can summarize that easily. Mach retard

Oh shit. I didn't stick with the Asian theme. My bad!

This thread is absurd pretty much except for the OP & UP. This "mach retard" talk is bullshit. Certain people make me sound like hell on wheels but every ride I've ever led for OR has been at "the pace" as described by Nick Inetsch. Straightaway speeds are kept so that nobody get's their bike towed & goes to jail if they get pulled over. Corner speed may be considered brisk to some, but it is intermediate by track standards. Stay calm & just ride. I won't even be at this ride unless it's Sunday because I have a new dog & I have guys coming over to install two new sliding doors on my house that day. Thank you very much & have a good evening.

Is it a thing that the fast group doesn't let new riders ride with the group unless someone in the group has ridden with them in the past and can vouch for them? Kinda like a pussy OR click.

I would never admit I feel sorry for you.

Over moderator! I don't hang out here much anymore so forgive me if I'm not up to speed on any new rule changes. Is it a new OR thing that threads must remain on topic? This seems completely unOR.

The eency weensy spider looked too much like a tick to leave it walking around the house. sry not sry.

I've never been wild about dealerships , but I will def check apex out . Didn't even know they were there.