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This is likely pretty close to reality, with a few exceptions: All accounts, even the ones that supports the officers claim, state that shots were already fired before he turned around. What is in dispute if Brown had been struck by any of those shots. If he did turn to confront the officer was it offensive or self defense? Common sense, logic, and basic survival instincts would all point to a low probability of an unarmed man defeating a trained police officer with his weapon already drawn. And then there is the matter of a shot to the top of his head.

Proximity alone can't justify a shooting. Now you answer mine. Pasted again. All accounts agree that the encounter began at the police vehicle, correct? Brown's body was laying 30-35 feet from the police vehicle, correct? Brown must have either walked or ran from the police vehicle, correct? If someone it trying to shoot YOU in the back, YOU are unarmed, and YOU have no place to hide, what are YOUR realistic options?

Fact 1, body was laying 30-35 feet from the vehicle. Fact 2, Brown was shot at least 6 times with a fatal wound at the very top of his head. Fact 3, the examiner stated in his preliminary findings that all 6 shots were fired from further than 2-3 feet away, and it could have been much further than that.

That is where you are wrong. Distance from the vehicle is critical. He is moving away from the officer. That means he is not a threat or no longer a threat, depending on how you want to word it. Assume he had assaulted the cop, then tried to flee. Is he still a threat? Is it OK for an officer to kill a fleeing individual? Is the officer realistically defending himself any longer, or is it something closer to seeking revenge? For the record, I am not certain that the officer was assaulted to begin with. I expect more facts will shed some light on whether or not the officer was assaulted..

Tell me which statements you believe are still in question. I saw the video with the body laying 30-35 feet behind the police vehicle that was parked diagonally across the road. I consider that a confirmed fact.

All accounts agree that the encounter began at the police vehicle, correct? Brown's body was laying 30-35 feet from the police vehicle, correct? Brown must have either walked or ran from the police vehicle, correct? If someone it trying to shoot YOU in the back, YOU are unarmed, and YOU have no place to hide, what are YOUR realistic options? 1. Keep running and hope he misses 2. Try to surrender and hope he stops shooting 3. Turn (unarmed) and take your chances trying to fight off the shooter. This would be an act of self defense. Certainly a desperate act, but still self defense. I don't believe that not cooperating with officers gives them the right to kill you. I understand that the officer's defense will be based on the notion that he "felt threatened." Officers are taught to say they "felt threatened" whenever there is a shooting. How can you prove beyond a doubt that he's not being truthful when he says he "felt threatened?" As soon as Brown retreated and the officer pursued, I believe Brown was the one who "felt threatened" and rightly so as he was killed seconds later.

I am not convinced of charging. Was Brown running toward the officer with the apex of his head pointing at the officer? I've never seen anyone run like that. Try it yourself, can you see where you're going? According to you he was shot in the top of his head from 6-35 feet away.

That's nice, but irrelevant as his gun had already been fired and was already drawn by the time Brown ran away from the vehicle.

Just to be clear, they didn't say 2 feet. They said 2 feet or more. Lack of gunpower residue would narrow it down to 2-35 feet in this case.

Or a door knob back at the police station.

The autopsy results that were released showed that Brown didn't show signs of being in a physical struggle. Would the examiner be able to see evidence on his knuckles if he punched the officer so hard he broke his orbital bone? Also, the autopsy showed all shots occured from at least 2-3 feet away (or further). Not sure what that means except that shots were not fired from a range closer that 2-3 feet.

Let's assume it's true that Brown punched the officer in the face and broke his orbital bone, and that Brown was the one the initiated the struggle. Why wouldn't the FPD release that information quickly to attempt to diffuse over a week of rioting and looting? To date FPD hasn't released anything of the sort. If there were 12 eye witnesses that could confirm the officers story wouldn't at least one of them had granted an interview with national news by now? It's not like they are sworn to secrecy. The large news networks will pay a good sum of money for an exclusive interview on a story that has national attention. There must be more details somewhere, but these don't exactly add up. I did hear the woman that called into the radio station, but that was a 3rd person account. She said she wasn't a witness and was repeating what she was told.

The rioting is way beyond stupid.

There is an Economy setting that make the 1.8 feel pretty weak. When that is turned off it has enough power for my needs. My driving fun happens on 2 wheels. YMMV.

There is also 2.0. We bought a new 2013 1.8. The reasons were the mpg and total cost of owning. Elantras require little scheduled maintenance compared to others, which the gf liked alot. 40k on it now. I would do it again.

38 MPG = gutless, but that's what motorcycles are for

I had a Cruze for a rental car a few weeks ago. I though it felt like driving a go cart. My GF has an Elantra, same size as the Cruze outside, but much more room inside. I think the Elantra or Focus is going to be the best new car for $20K.

If this were to go to trail, this is what it will come down to. The more confusion about facts, conflicting stories, and ability to reduce credibility of witnesses will ultimately favor the officer. Juries overwhelmingly believe police officers, even though cops lying under oath has been well documented. There is going to be lingering tension in Ferguson regardless of what happens. It's going to be difficult to live there or to be a police officer there.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/18/us/missouri-teen-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t1 The autopsy could support witnesses' suggestions that Brown was holding his hands up in the air, said Shawn Purcell, who assisted in the autopsy. But other scenarios are possible, said Dr. Michael Baden, who supervised the inquiry. But nothing in the autopsy suggested that Brown had engaged in a struggle, Baden said. Police have said that Brown reached into Officer Darren Wilson's car in a tussle over his gun. The experts said they will need to examine the original autopsy conducted by officials before they can make final conclusions

I was in the Marines and do know a tiny little bit about firearms, but thanks for clarifying.

I am having trouble picturing that kill shot occurred with Brown charging the officer. He was already shot 5 times, with one of those being to the eye socket. I won't speculate on what angles of shots mean. I'm sure the forensic experts will address it further.

It is getting more confusing. He's 6'4," if the shot that hit him on the top of the head exited toward the front of his face, wouldn't that mean that he was facing the officer in a position like kneeling with his head bent forward?

One of my all time favorites. If you haven't ridden it, you should. So were road conditions decent overall? I haven't been able to get too deep into WV yet this year. The only WV roads I have ridden were in pretty crappy shape.

Keep in mind that police officers are well schooled on what need to be said to make a shooting sound justified. In addition to the autopsy done by the state, there will also be on performed by a federal examiner. I expect that will answer many questions. On a different note, they are now brining in the National Guard to deal with rioters.