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All accounts agree that the encounter began at the police vehicle, correct? Brown's body was laying 30-35 feet from the police vehicle, correct? Brown must have either walked or ran from the police vehicle, correct? If someone it trying to shoot YOU in the back, YOU are unarmed, and YOU have no place to hide, what are YOUR realistic options? 1. Keep running and hope he misses 2. Try to surrender and hope he stops shooting 3. Turn (unarmed) and take your chances trying to fight off the shooter. This would be an act of self defense. Certainly a desperate act, but still self defense. I don't believe that not cooperating with officers gives them the right to kill you. I understand that the officer's defense will be based on the notion that he "felt threatened." Officers are taught to say they "felt threatened" whenever there is a shooting. How can you prove beyond a doubt that he's not being truthful when he says he "felt threatened?" As soon as Brown retreated and the officer pursued, I believe Brown was the one who "felt threatened" and rightly so as he was killed seconds later.

I am not convinced of charging. Was Brown running toward the officer with the apex of his head pointing at the officer? I've never seen anyone run like that. Try it yourself, can you see where you're going? According to you he was shot in the top of his head from 6-35 feet away.

That's nice, but irrelevant as his gun had already been fired and was already drawn by the time Brown ran away from the vehicle.

Just to be clear, they didn't say 2 feet. They said 2 feet or more. Lack of gunpower residue would narrow it down to 2-35 feet in this case.

Or a door knob back at the police station.

The autopsy results that were released showed that Brown didn't show signs of being in a physical struggle. Would the examiner be able to see evidence on his knuckles if he punched the officer so hard he broke his orbital bone? Also, the autopsy showed all shots occured from at least 2-3 feet away (or further). Not sure what that means except that shots were not fired from a range closer that 2-3 feet.

Let's assume it's true that Brown punched the officer in the face and broke his orbital bone, and that Brown was the one the initiated the struggle. Why wouldn't the FPD release that information quickly to attempt to diffuse over a week of rioting and looting? To date FPD hasn't released anything of the sort. If there were 12 eye witnesses that could confirm the officers story wouldn't at least one of them had granted an interview with national news by now? It's not like they are sworn to secrecy. The large news networks will pay a good sum of money for an exclusive interview on a story that has national attention. There must be more details somewhere, but these don't exactly add up. I did hear the woman that called into the radio station, but that was a 3rd person account. She said she wasn't a witness and was repeating what she was told.

The rioting is way beyond stupid.

There is an Economy setting that make the 1.8 feel pretty weak. When that is turned off it has enough power for my needs. My driving fun happens on 2 wheels. YMMV.

There is also 2.0. We bought a new 2013 1.8. The reasons were the mpg and total cost of owning. Elantras require little scheduled maintenance compared to others, which the gf liked alot. 40k on it now. I would do it again.

38 MPG = gutless, but that's what motorcycles are for

I had a Cruze for a rental car a few weeks ago. I though it felt like driving a go cart. My GF has an Elantra, same size as the Cruze outside, but much more room inside. I think the Elantra or Focus is going to be the best new car for $20K.

If this were to go to trail, this is what it will come down to. The more confusion about facts, conflicting stories, and ability to reduce credibility of witnesses will ultimately favor the officer. Juries overwhelmingly believe police officers, even though cops lying under oath has been well documented. There is going to be lingering tension in Ferguson regardless of what happens. It's going to be difficult to live there or to be a police officer there.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/18/us/missouri-teen-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t1 The autopsy could support witnesses' suggestions that Brown was holding his hands up in the air, said Shawn Purcell, who assisted in the autopsy. But other scenarios are possible, said Dr. Michael Baden, who supervised the inquiry. But nothing in the autopsy suggested that Brown had engaged in a struggle, Baden said. Police have said that Brown reached into Officer Darren Wilson's car in a tussle over his gun. The experts said they will need to examine the original autopsy conducted by officials before they can make final conclusions

I was in the Marines and do know a tiny little bit about firearms, but thanks for clarifying.

I am having trouble picturing that kill shot occurred with Brown charging the officer. He was already shot 5 times, with one of those being to the eye socket. I won't speculate on what angles of shots mean. I'm sure the forensic experts will address it further.

It is getting more confusing. He's 6'4," if the shot that hit him on the top of the head exited toward the front of his face, wouldn't that mean that he was facing the officer in a position like kneeling with his head bent forward?

One of my all time favorites. If you haven't ridden it, you should. So were road conditions decent overall? I haven't been able to get too deep into WV yet this year. The only WV roads I have ridden were in pretty crappy shape.

Keep in mind that police officers are well schooled on what need to be said to make a shooting sound justified. In addition to the autopsy done by the state, there will also be on performed by a federal examiner. I expect that will answer many questions. On a different note, they are now brining in the National Guard to deal with rioters.

There's lots to choose from.

Great, bring it on some SEO rides.

That was the exact idea with my CBR. After Helibars and a Ventura Rack, it's now the sportiest sport tourer I have ever ridden.

I posted the unedited version of that video earlier in this thread.

The Helibar install on the CBR was a pain. The clearances were very tight. It was worth it though.

That is a reallllllllllllllly loooooooong reach to try to make it sound like the officer acted in self defense. How about this...if the officer was within reach, it would only be because he was chasing Brown with his gun drawn and firing. That is a case of the officer escalating the situation with Brown attempting to retreat after he was allegedly already shot either once or twice. Hands up with one or two bullets in him is not what I consider a threat. Also, Brown was shot in the face multiple times, which were the final shots fired according to eye witnesses. Have you ever heard of police officers or even military being trained to shoot in the face rather than center mass?