Tpoppa

RS2's seem to get decent reviews.  Even for light track duty.

I seem to recall reading that they could feel a bit mushy or vague, but should be just fine for street duty

12 minutes ago, Pauly said:

I appreciate you, Tony. I should be more clear. 

I am not throwing "racist" out there like the majority of Liberals. I did say we could just be apathetic to the level of self-destruction as a society. When the police are not held accountable, every America-loving citizen in this country should shut down the entire system. We have the power. The Military seems to have our backs. A peaceful shutdown of everything non-essential is a loud noise. One entire day of America actually united in a common cause would shatter that system. We are being divided, systematically and intentionally. It's about time they were reminded who pays them and why. No violence is necessary if we don't ignore the problem and let it continue. 

Something like this?

That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

--United States Declaration of Independence

2 minutes ago, Pauly said:

It is an accountability issue, but it is governemnt wide. The police union has strength because those in power do nothing. Show me the numbers where government employees, including Capitol Hill, see the swift hand of justice when their atrocities are judged. Left. Right. No matter. We The People are the problem. We are the racists... if not at least very guilty of incredible amounts of apathy toward those around us. Stopping the economy in its tracks is what gets our attention. Dead children do not. Dead black children especially do not. 

Paul, you and I agree on many things, some we do not.  Even in the cases we do not, I tend to think than your opinions are intelligent and well thought.  That's why I have these exchanges with you.

That said, I agree with your statement except for this line "We are the racists."

IMO "Racist" has become the most misused word in the English Language.  It's thrown around way too frequently & for the Media and many Democrats it's become equivalent of "Aloha."  

I believe that police are too quick to use deadly force & the system is setup to allow them to not face consequences.  I think that's bullshit, but I don't think race is the primary factor.

Please consider these figures:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/

4 minutes ago, durk said:

@Tpoppa you are on a roll. When are you running for office?

I have always found numbers to be more reliable then the emotional responses of humans.

13 minutes ago, bowdog said:

I would be more than happy to speak to you about any thoughts or questions you have...We absolutely love it down there. One thing I can tell you right now is if you are seriously thinking about it I would pull the trigger sooner than later. We have seen things start to get out of control price wise just in the last year. For example a guy I know purchased 7 acres with water front two years ago for $100K and just sold 3 of those acres off last month for $100k. Our little unknown gem is starting to get not so unknown.

This is one of the lots I was looking at.  Opinion?

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/11-Waters-Edge-Dr-Nancy-KY-42544/2089549140_zpid/?

1 minute ago, Pauly said:

I believe it is a racism issue. It just goes deeper than the police. The police are a reflection of racist domestic policy. 

Agree to disagree.  I think it's a police accountability issue caused by police unions.

Try to reconcile this data against BLM's claim that "white supremacists" are rampantly killing blacks.  It doesn't add up.  

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2017/crime-in-the-u.s.-2017/topic-pages/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-6.xls 

About 88% of black murders are committed by blacks.

About 80% of whites murders are committed by whites.

Figures for police aren't drastically different.  When the problem is misdiagnosed, the proposed cure is usually ineffective. 

5 minutes ago, Pauly said:

THE. TWO-PARTY. SYSTEM. IS. BROKEN. 

Yup

I think congressional term limits might help to a degree, but I don't see it happening.

Career politicians were never the intent.  You were supposed to represent the area where you live, serve your term, then go home.

1 hour ago, Pauly said:

At this point, call it "Cop Lives Don't Matter", "No Donuts For You", "Fuck Color, Stop Shooting"... whatever...  for all I care. Just fix the fucking problem. Semantics are a distraction. Credit is irrelevant. Just fucking solve the problem. 

I don't think it's semantics at all.

I think trying to frame this as racism it causing a huge divide across the country.  That divide is arguably has a much bigger impact than police brutality.

Let's be honest, the media & democrats LOVE to call things racist.  That shit needs to stop.

opinions?

24 minutes ago, Pauly said:

I need to ride one. 

I agree about the low suspension GSA, but I am keeping the one I have. The Goldwing would replace the Voyager

If you are planning multiday 2 up trips at at a faster pace than the Voyager can manage then your choices get limited.  The GW and the K1600 are going t have the best passenger accomodations, perhaps a used K1300.  Your pillion probably wouldn't be liking an RT so much after day 2 unless she has built significant fortitude.

I personally don't care to ride 2 up at a quick pace for multiple reasons.  Something like the Voyager would probably be enough for my 2 up needs.

54 minutes ago, Pauly said:

Lower seat height, primarily. The GS is too tall for 2-up with my short legs. If the RT is too tall, I will have to disqualify it. This is where the GoldWing begins to gain momentum as the best overall option. 

Have you ridden one? It's the same style front end as mine. I figured you would hate it. 

As much as I like the new LC RT, a used 2009+ will do just as nicely for 2 up riding.  And you can find them, well farkled, for just a little more than you are asking for your Duc.

1 hour ago, Pauly said:

I have zero desire to ride it over the BMW. I am pushing toward trading the Vulcan and the Ducati in on a newer R1200RT for 2-up touring. 

The new RT is a fantastic machine.

2 minutes ago, Pauly said:

Kentucky is one of the best motorcycling states I have been through. 

I only rode in KY that one time on the way back from the Gap.  I forget your route, but the roads were twisty, in nice shape, and the traffic was light.

3 hours ago, bowdog said:

Awesome! I have a place in Nancy Ky on Lake Cumberland...I have currently only boated down there but plan to get the bike down soon as I have seen some awesome roads over the last year down there. If you get a chance check out the area, some great lodge type camping there with good roads and awesome hospitality!

We need to talk about this.  I was speaking to a real estate agent about water front lots in Nancy and Monticello.  I'd like to hear some opinions of the area.

1 minute ago, Tonik said:

When you ain't selling much, there is no where to go but up. Honda sells more bikes in a month than the three of them put together sell in a year.

 

So does HD and they are circling the drain.

Adventure bikes are by far the most virile segment right now.  Give HD credit for making an effort with the PA, but they are late to the game and their is already strong, well-established competition.  Harley could really use a win here.  Which is most likely scenario:

A)  Sales flop.  HD is too far out of their comfort zone.  It will be too heavy, will lack features and capability & will be at the bottom of every comparison.

B)  Mediocre sales.  It will never make it to showrooms in meaningful numbers.  HD dealers won't know how to talk to adventure buyers (ala Buell).  Will be a niche bike among the HD faithful. 

C) Sales success.  HD will knock this out of the park and and surprise the GS, KTM, Tiger, AT, VStrom, & Tenere.  It will be a viable contender and attract riders from other manufacturers. 

1 minute ago, Tonik said:

Whose motorcycle sales are growing really well in a crap market?

BMW, Triumph, & KTM

26 minutes ago, TimTheAzn said:

Idk about innovative but they put out a real nice 1000 a year or two ago and people are eating them up.

Look at the model line ups of the big 4 Japanese manufacturers.

Kawasaki and Yamaha have by far the most desirable models in the categories where most bikes sell.  FZ09, FZ07, Tracer, Ninja 650, Z900, Ninja 1000 all sell.

Beginner sportbikes...Suzuki built the terrible selling GSX250R , which is good competition for the 1988 Ninja 250.

Honda has the CBR500R (CBR300R is not even worth mentioning).  Compare the CBR500R to the Ninja 400...The Ninja is lighter, faster, better handling, better suspended, more engaging to ride, fun on a track, and way less expensive.   The Honda is....."crickets"      

2 minutes ago, zx3vfr said:

That either they or their dealers never budge on price. 
 

it’s sad really. 

I 100% get that the American motorcycle market is shit compared to the rest of the world but just stop already.  Sell the Gold Wing, Africa Twin, CRF line, grom  and a couple SxS’s 

no CBRs, no cruisers don’t even bother with middle weight naked sport bikes. So many better options.  

New, 2014 CTX700s and CTX1300s were still in showrooms last year.  The NC700x, NT700V, VFR1200, CB1100, CB1000R were all overpriced swings and misses.  CBRs always rank near the bottom in HP.  All those bikes are fine to ride, but compared to compared to the competition, they are more expensive and lack features that buyers want. 

The new GW is their best, most innovative offering in years, but 2018s are still sitting in showrooms.

1 hour ago, zx3vfr said:

Well Honda hasn’t been exactly known as innovative since probably the early 90s. 

Honda is the king of 5 year old motorcycles aging on the show room floor.  

16 minutes ago, Tonik said:

And Harley is being removed from S&Ps 500.

https://biztimes.com/harley-davidson-removed-from-sp-500/?amp

Yay!  A lot of my 401k is in S&P index funds.  

Manufacturers that build innovative, engaging motorcycles are still doing well in the US.

I think that list is limited to BMW, Triumph, KTM, Ducati, Yamaha, and Kawasaki.

2 hours ago, Howabusa said:

I thought Buffett loaned them $300 million.

He did, but that was years ago.

Harley's lack of innovation has not typically been an issue for them.  People bought them as modern antiques.

...but, all the bikes they made in their late 2000s hayday are flooding the used market, and prices are dropping.  Those used bikes are 95% the same as new Harleys and way cheaper..and they're old-school/air-cooled.