jporter12

Once again it's not black and white. Use can can become worse leading down even worse paths especially if there are additional issues to deal with. Poor use can create these additional problems whether they be mental or physical. That one page is meant to help alleviate that so that seeking help and/or quiting is more likely.

Also, heroine addicts aren't a closed system, they affect themselves and those around them. You might not even be able to tell if someone is one just by looking at them. They could be cooking your food, teaching our children, cleaning your teeth, having sex with you... Unless of course you watch too much TV and think they just crash out in drug houses and in hallways of run down apartment buildings...

I may be wrong, but the ones that AREN'T crashing out in drug houses, and hallways of run-down apartments are the ones that know how to do it right, and have it under control (as much as a drug such as heroin can be controlled) and can shoot up properly, therefore making this page of information only applicable to the ones that are the least likely to see it.

I dunno, I guess the worst ones in the bigger picture are the ones that get others hooked on it. From what I've been told by a family member of an addict, the high only comes the first time or so that they do it. From then on out the use is to attempt to get back to a "normal" state, and away from the severe withdraw symptoms. For someone to get someone into something they know is so bad is out of my understanding. I don't have it in me to drag others down to my level if they're doing better. I'd rather have them pull me up to help me get to a better level.

That'll prolly come back to bite you.

That was retaliation for moose, I think Jags and Max can take it as that. Maybe I should have changed the names to protect the innocent?

If not, I guess I'll get bitten!

I guess I fail to be compassionate, when I know I should be, even if it is for someone doing something wrong.

Because the other issues can hinder quiting...or worse.

Death=quitting. Problem solved. Sorry, but if someone does something as dangerous as heroin and dies from it, I have no sympathy for the person. For the family and friends that are left behind I absolutely sympathize with.

I'm down with you clowns, as long as jags and max are tagging along too...can't be out terrorizing the state without my 2 favorite womens...

That looks better...

Once again the point is missed. It's not let me show you how to do it right, it's let me show you how to do this more safely so you don't die (or worse) before being able to quit. The whole context is seeking help, not making things worse and eventually quiting. It's not a since you're already doing it thing.

I get your point, but it IS a "since you're already doing it, do it right" thing. I don't see how it can't be! I get that the whole premise is to encourage quitting, and this is to help try to reduce some of the difficulties that go along with the use, while seeking help quitting. I don't see WHY it should even be in the same pamphlet!

Again, I get the idea, but I think it needs to stick to the ROOT PROBLEM of heroin use, not reduce the "sideline" problems that go with it. Do you get what I'm saying? I'm not asking you to agree, I just feel as though the same thing keeps being said because we don't think the other understands what is being said!

So your failure is my fault? Please.

I don't get you there man....

Plenty of people think I'm wrong, but those people are usually dealing with my opinions rather than facts. My opinions are mine, if people don't agree, that's their business.

Even when proven wrong, you don't give up, from what I've seen.

Are you passing this advice on because it worked for you? I wondered what the secret to your "looseness" was.

Nice try at humor, and at taking a jab at me! You're getting there!

So, if you're so anti-social, what are you doing on a board that's a bunch of people that joke around, get together to ride, etc....? Not complaining, just curious....

and once again you also miss the point. The whole point of the pamphlet is stopping and to seek help. This page is added to help lessen other health risks that can compound issues while these people are to be seeking help. You realize are only looking at a single page of many right?

Yes I get that this is just a small part of it. I just don't think it should've been a part of it. If the purpose is to get them to stop, don't tell them how to do it right, as that's almost like de-criminalizing it.

So, do you tell the kids, I know this is wrong, and you will get in trouble for it from me, but here's how to do it, since you're already doing it? Then don't do it after I show you the right way to do it.

I'm pretty sure that from ME, it's going to be more like, don't do that, and if I catch you doing it again, there will be serious punishment.

I think you've got north and south confused....

not at all! If that disgusting stuff doesn't make you puke when it's going in, the amount that comes out the back end will make your head explode....Or somethign like that...

I'll try to remember to snap a pic for Yota's collection.

You may want to make sure 1000rrdude get's to look at it, although he SAYS that he doesn't want them sent to him....

You can make that claim about anything. Love the caps though, nice touch.

If you didn't do such and such in the first place then such and such wouldn't be needed/happening..legal or illegal. Glad you live in a black and white world where most don't.

I'm just saying that as long as they're doing something illegal, and not getting any help for the root problem of heroin addiction, let 'em do it wrong.

hahahha.... wait what? No rimjob? I haz a sad now...

Fixed.

I always find it amusing when there's a higher upload than download.

I think it was something like that when we were at the hospital back last Feb when my son was born. I loved being able to quickly upload pics to share!

I heard Bloomberg was going to issue a pamphlet' date=' for terrorists, on how to safely transport explosive ordnance.[/quote']

Why not give them heroin, and teach them how to properly inject it?

No. Like I said it's ~1 page out of 10, it's about context. They have a large problem with heroine related illnesses/death and are trying to alleviate that. I don't care for the delivery of that page but in context it's not that bad.

What part of Heroin being illegal is not understood? IF THE HEROIN WASN'T BEING DONE, THE RELATED ILLNESSES WOULDN'T BE HAPPENING!!!!

CDMA is comming in about a month , that was the first thing I looked for when I saw the promo

Glad to hear, I hadn't seen that anywhere yet. Is it going to be subsidised through and CDMA carriers?

i hate you....I want skyline REAL bad right now

Skyline = And if not, see Sambusa's avatar.....

Nexus One !

If they made a CDMA version.....

Hook up the scanner and PowerBrake it , same as a dyno.

Close, but not quite. A surprising amount of problems can be found by power-braking, but far fewer than with older stuff.

Shoot me a PM after friday and let me know what you find out. If I had the ability to scan it I would throw it on the dyno and put a heavy load on the car. I would think then the problem could be found.

Oh how I wish we had a dyno for driveability work! Dyno's aren't ONLY for measuring horsepower! A dyno, a good scan tool or scan software, and a 5-gas analyzer and you can fix just about all driveability problems, as long as you know what you're looking for in the information!

Yes, sex whithin certain guidlines is legal, rape is not. So you agree with my last post then?

Nobody agrees with you.

What for? .73 is pretty good imho, enough to use VOIP for sure

Can't say.

Stuff that TW says you're not supposed to do.

Yeah, I know what that crap is, but I was just trying to get the wheels turning in SWing's head. Chances are they just did it without looking to see if it actually needed it, but hey why not? its another $60 for them. The throttle body wasn't SWing's problem, so why are they "fixing" something that isn't a problem or the reason he brought the car to them

Yeah, I agree. FIX the problem, THEN suggest other maintenance that may be needed, and the importance of said maintenance.

You really dont think you bring the bashing on yourself? You really DID eat paint chips didn't you? You talk about wanting to own your own business but you don't even know how to spell or use proper grammer. I AM a business owner, I know what it takes and you dont have it.

It's spelled grammar, Sam..... How do you stay in business spelling like that?

I think fonzie's post on reply to him sums it all up, especially the last part of it:

It's like that old Mark Twain quote, about "It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool... Than to open it and remove all doubt. "

Club chicken (grilled chicken, cheese, bacon) and a vitamin water from the cafeteria. Sad that it cost me more that a whole value meal at Wendy's. Work cafeteria FTL.

But is it better? It doesn't take much.....

bar muffs

NICE! And I didn't have to tell you the on that one!

Yeah, yeah... The stfu's are out of jealousy from looking out the window and seeing nothing but WHITE.....