Scruit

If the charger has a metal case then the ground actually does something. If it has a plastic case then 2-prong will be fine. If you want to connect the ground then do it correctly - take out the light housing and check to see if there is a ground wire in there. If so, option 1 is to wire up a double-outlet in the recessed box, then get a light that you can plug into the other outlet. Option 2, IF you can get to the knockouts on the side of the box, is to run another wire to another box you install, and put an outlet there. Don't improvise a ground - if you need it, you need to do it right.

To those who think that mass murder of children is a new thing, read Matthew 2:16. There's a chicken/egg debate about this an Arthurian legend, but the concept exists nonetheless.

Not verified that Morgan Freeman said it. But I agree with whoever it was.

Neither do Mexicans.

Wanna know why the TV companies never show streakers that make it onto football fields, etc? To deny them their 15 minutes. Maybe one small part of the answer is that the shooter's identity is never reported. Deny them the attention the seek. Nothing that they do or say should ever see the light of day. If they have facebook/twitter/forums full of diatribe them take it offline. If they send letters to the police/news then never ready them out loud. They want to go out with a big fanfare? Deny them that.

Didn't you see Amish Mafia. Duh.

Not with THIS shooting. But what about all the others? What about the next one? Just like the AR - wasn't used, will still be vilified. These are the discussions we need to have. They are good discussions if they ultimately lead to something positive. My focus right now is the fact that the vast majority of these events center around mentally disturbed persons, and the apparent disconnect between the folks treating these nutjobs and the folks selling them weapons. (guns being the obvious weapons, but if guns are not available they will use knives, etc)

I don't think there's more murders - I think there's more reporting of them. 50 years ago you probably wouldn't hear about stuff like this unless it happened locally. Nowadays if a kitten is born with two arses in china then the rest of the world hears it on twitter within 10 minutes.

I know that NICS checks are done at gun show - for dealers, not for private sales. The fact that private sales are not regulated makes NICS useless.

To allow what? A ban on guns? A ban on cars? Both are stupid ideas. There are things we can do - small pieces of the overall puzzle - that can be achieved without impacting the rights of good folks. Just because there is no silver bullet doesn't mean we should just throw our arms up.

We will never stop all traffic fatalities. But we still try.

Research that better before you make that kind of argument. Playing Devil's Advocate.... Norway has very lax gun laws by European standards, and semi-auto rifles are legal. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Norway In England, since the Hunderford Massacre by Michael Ryan using a previously legal Chinese AK47 (after which there was an outright AWB with no grandfathering), there have been no further semi-auto rifle mass murders reported. Since Dunblane (which prompted the near-total lockdown of handgun, as the murders were carried out with handguns) in 1996, there have been only two mass shooting "sprees" of strangers (Derek Bird 2010 and David Bradley 2006), and one murder/suicide by gun (Michael Atherton 2012). http://www.murderuk.com/mass_murderers.html In the US there is a mass shooting every 5 days, according to one newpaper... (More than one victim) http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2179995/A-mass-shooting-happens-FIVE-days-America-Interactive-map-shows-gun-violence-epidemic-sweeping-nation.html Like I said, I'm fiercly pro-gun and just playing Devil's Advocate - just trying to let you know that your arguments need further research and fact-checking. (Hint - check total murder and violent crime rates - the US has infinitely more gun crime, but the same amount of total murders and violent crime as the UK - that suggests to me that the murder weapon is not as relevant as the intent to do murder...)

The police news conference just stated that he was not granted access to the building and that he entered the building by force. They refused to comment on is he broke the glass, but did say that the first responders also gained entry forcefully at multiple points in their attempts to evacuate as many people as possible.

Agreed. We cannot PHYSICALLY stop these crimes (through gun control or secure buildings) We have to work at a MENTAL level (addressing the desire to kill, through better mental health services / evaluations) Yes, it will be difficult.

Be warned - that is quoted by the anti-gun folks as the justification for things like the AWB and small magazines. "Yes, shootings will still happen but less people will die..."

We can't just say "nothing will work therefore we won't try". I recognize that making guns harder to law abiding people to get (or banning them) won't do anything. Obama talked about the AWB - irrelevant in this case as the AR was not used. After a spate of knife attacks on schools by mentally ill people in China last year the government there required registration of large knife purchases... Yet the attacks continue. Knowing who to punish is of little consolation when a child is dead. There has to be SOMETHING we can do. Gun laws won't fix the underlying problem of mental illness. This must be dealt with at the individual person level.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/13/world/americas/canada-killer-released/index.html?iref=obinsite

As if to underscore the fact that the problem is head cases, not guns: http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/14/world/asia/china-knife-attack/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

My wife and I were just talking about how to (try to) keep guns away from crazies. One idea, mentioned above, is to have "mental defective" status (Item 11.F on the NICS form) be reported by mental health professionals to the govt so that NICS will already know this. Other than "legal" sales where a metal case does not self-report his mental status, the biggest risk is unregulated private sales. Sorry, but the "gun show loophole" has to close. Another suggestion, from my wife, is to set up NICS stations at gun shows. They can be ATM-sized machines that would work thusly: - I go to a gun show and want to buy a gun privately - Seller and I walk up to the NICS Station. - I fill out information on the screen in a private manner. - NICS result is displayed on the screen, and printed out. - Seller keeps the printed form and the sale completes. There is a debate about if the seller info or gun serial# should be stored. If the gun is used in a crime and traced back to the seller, he provides the NICS station printout to prove that the NICS check was done and the result was a "proceed". Any sale that takes place without a NICS check would be illegal. All other private sales would have to happen in the presence of a dealer who would run the NICS check - OR a NICS check station could be supplied for customer use at gun shops or similar businesses. OR we open up the NICS phone # for regular people to use.

There WILL be a discussion from this, I just hope it addresses the root cause. I believe that Mental Health professionals who become aware that a person is delusional/lost touch with reality (or whatever symptoms led up to each of these whack jobs) should have to report that information in a manner that could be appropriately disseminated in a manner that would hopefully reduce the chances of these headcases getting weapons.

The news said earlier that most of the victims were kids in his mother's class. His mother was a kindergarten teacher. I feel physically ill. Honestly.

Shooter is 20. Older brother is being questioned, Not younger.

18 kids dead at school, 2 kids died at hospital, 6 adults dead. Plus the shooter, 27. Then another body at the mother's house. 28.