kiggy74

There are a lot of calibers that can shoot 1000+ yds. The goal isn't how far you can get the bullet to go, its where the bullet lands when it gets there. A stock Remington 700 and a Barrett can land a bullet at 1000 yrds, but with either of those they are going to land in an area about the size of a car. A Barrett 50 Cal is no a precision weapon, it was designed to take out vehicles. Vehicles are big, and easy to hit, get my drift? If you want to shoot 1000+ yds and plan on hitting your target consistently you are going to have to spend $$$ for a good rifle, get on Snipershide.com for more information on this. To the OP, between the two choices you've given and the caveat that you won't typically need to shoot beyond 500 yrds, the .308 is a better choice. Will 30-06 do the job? Yes, of course it will, but unless you are a reloader .30-06 ammo is MORE expensive and harder to come by than .308. The biggest diff between these two calibers is muzzle velocity with .30-06 going about 200-300 fps faster. However the .30 cal bullet will go subsonic at about 1000 yrds regardless of how fast it was going when it left the muzzle, so all that big .30-06 is doing is burning more powder and hurting your shoulder vs a cheaper more comfortable .308. And I need to emphasize the importance of ammo in regards to accuracy. You cannot buy surplus 7.62 ammo or M2 Ball .30-06 and expect consistent results. However, you can get Federal Match 168gr HPBT .308 for about 20 for $20, and this is considered the gold standard in off the shelf match ammo for non-reloaders. But those that are really serious in long range and/or precision shooting don't shoot factory ammo, they load their own. A novice reloader with basic equipment can easily exceed the performance of even the ammo mentioned above and a far less per round price. But to do so requires a significant up front investment in equipment. If you're on a budget, save that for later. Hands down, the best value in an off the rack long range gun is a Savage. I owned a Savage 10 FCP-K in 308 earlier this year, and got great results with it, easily sub 1-MOA, and frequently in the 1/2 MOA range with that gun. Down side with the Savages is that they are what they are. There's really not a ton of customizations you can do to them to improve accuracy due to floating bolt head design, barrel nuts, bottom metal etc. But if you think you want to do any of these things you're going to have move away from the savage and likely into a custom/blue printed Rem700 or at least Rem700 pattern rifle. There are calibers and rifles that you can buy that will put a projectile through the same hole at 100 yrds, or an area the size of a dinner plate at 1000 yrds, over and over again. For these rifles you will spend many thousands. The third important component is your optic. Cheap scopes are, well they're cheap. There's no point in putting any kind of $$$ into a rifle and then buying a $ scope. If your scope can't hold zero from one shot to the next then the rest doesn't matter at all. Honestly, plan on spending at least as much on your scope as your rifle. My setup with the Savage was a Viper PST with first focal plane for about $900. You can get second focal plane and save about $100. If you are shooting at fixed distances then SFP is fine. Vortex is a great scope value, they offer a lot of high end features on a quality optic for really affordable prices. Plus all their stuff carries a lifetime transferrable warranty. For reticles, I've gone from an MOA reticle to MIL this year, and I'm glad I did it. Both work, but MOA is kind of like being left-handed, MIL is just better. Good luck.

I love the story behind the story, however the journalism here is utter crap. Be sure to read the comments. http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2012/10/police_gun_buy_back_draws_peop.html#comments

New Albany and Blackwing don't allow you to use printed targets. You have to use manufactured paper targets. They tell people is because normal paper clogs up the air handling system, I think its to help them sell more targets, but be forewarned. Don't know about Powder Room, although I'd say they probably allow it because I honestly don't know if the PR has any air handling at all, be prepared to see black in your snot after leaving PR. For first time to the range I would recommend New Albany or Blackwing. Grab someone there and have them walk you through basic safety and handling. They will be glad to do it. New Albany will actually require you to watch a video on safety and procedures, which I think is actually really helpful to first time shooters. It always makes me feel good when I'm at New Albany knowing the guy in the lane next to me holding a .45 auto had to watch the same video I did.

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Wrong. There's a .45 Colt and a .45 Schofield, aka short colt.

It's .45 Colt, not Long Colt. All you've proven is that Bulkammo.com is wrong too. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.45_Colt "The designation ".45 Long Colt", sometimes abbreviated as ".45 LC", originated among military personnel to prevent confusion with the shorter-cased .45 Schofield which was also used in .45 Colt SAA revolvers by the US military. It has become a popular, yet improper, name for the cartridge." 9mm is great defensive round, as is the 38sp. There's a lot more to being a defensive round besides pure ballistics. Like, what form factor is available for that cartridge, and if the cartridge choice itself lends to the likelihood that the user will be able to hit something. If you're flinching from the expected recoil from a .40 vs putting round after round .22 LR on target then the .22 LR is a better choice. I don't think the OP mentioned heading into any war zones.

9mm horrible for defense? Really? and by the way, there's no such thing as .45 long colt. It's .45 Colt. But yes, the cartridge is fairly long. 9mm is a great cartridge to for a first gun. It packs plenty of punch for defensive use without making you dread shooting it at the practice range. But for beginner shooters that want a first pistol I almost always recommend a metal framed revolver chambered in .38 special. If this isn't going to be a gun you carry than get one with a longer barrel, 4-5 inches as these are far more accurate and don't recoil nearly as much. Revolvers are far less prone to failure, especially those caused by improper use. There are number of revolver options out there that fit the bill for under $500.

This is true if you aren't interested in being able to hit anything consistently beyond say 200 yrds.

I think you made a wise choice between those two. She would not enjoy shooting the Keltec in its default configuration. I was shooting standard ammo too by the way, not P+. Funny, the manual says you can shoot P+ ammo but doesn't recommend doing it frequently.

Can't believe I didn't know that. I thought for sure it came in 9mm too. Oops.

You do have one, I dropped it off Saturday when I picked up the Keltec. Thanks for the heads up on the hogue btw.

Chrome/Green PF9 is mine, thanks again Dale. And you weren't joking, shooting that pistol is not what I'd call "pleasant" experience. Sucker is light which = lots of recoil with a not so comfy grip. Plus side is that it fits in a pocket nicely. Todd also forgot to mention that there is a like-new Remmy 870 with extended mag tube, only 10-15 rds through it. Original box, lock, and manual included for only $250.

Caliber on the LCP?

I've owned a couple 92FS, and have one now. Love the pistol for its military significance and the fact that its a great design and fun to shoot. I also have a Sako TRG 22, it's a gem as well.

Which violates another life rule, don't buy or sell cars to friends or family. What I don't understand is how the police would actually arrest this guy based on the circumstances. You would think that to be arrested the crime that someone has accused you of committing the evidence would have to be pretty clear cut. If the dealership and the customer both signed the contract, how can the police agree that the dealership was robbed?

I took the class at New Albany. It was excellent, and a full 12 hrs worth. you shoot their guns and ammo, and lots of different types too btw.

And the NFA act of 1986 was signed by Ronald Reagan..... Whu whu whaaattt!?!?!? An anti-gun republican???? Not Ronald Reagan, say it ain't so???? NRA is a political organization just as much (if not more) than they are a lobbying group for the firearms industry. Better believe they have an agenda that goes well beyond their "concern" for your ability to buy guns. That being said, the guberment can have my guns, but I'm going to give 'em my bullets first!

Well then guess what..... I FUCKING HATE YOU!!!! Of course we've never met and there's absolutely no reason for me to feel that way.

2. But you would not walk up to him at a gun show while someone else was looking at it and say "woah don't pay that, he's asking way too much." You would just walk by and follow option four, which was STFU for those that missed it the first time.

Here's the deal, if someone posts something for sale you are allowed to respond in one of three ways: 1. I'll take it. 2. PM Sent. 3. Good luck with the sale or GLWS. There's always a 4th option which is STFU. If you think the price is too high, then life is simple for you, just don't buy it. But don't dog someone else's thread in public, especially if you have no interest in buying it. It's just a jackass thing to do, you wouldn't do it if you were standing in front of the guy.

Honestly, I don't really know how to respond to a statement like this, other than to say that I don't believe that there are any ATF agents on this board so you're probably safe from buying illegal guns. In case you didn't get the joke, this was in reference to Fast n Furious and the ATF illegally exporting guns. Not suggesting that it's ok to sell illegal guns under any circumstance.

Now this is what I'm talking about. Thanks Scott!!!

Nobody in Columbus has needed any transmission repair work?

Hang in there Brandon, and well wishes to your brother.

I've got a not so pleasant whine coming from my rear diff. Looking for a referral for a good mechanic in the north or Northwest Columbus area.