I dont have any children, but the discussion is not about teaching your kids to be safe but to do the smart thing. I am glad to hear your are being a father and teaching your child well. The forum was about seeing the idiots that are not smart on bikes and my comment was basically saying that what they wear and dont wear doesnt bother me because it doesnt affect me. Same as if im driving and the guy next to me in the other car doesnt have his seat belt on, oh well, dont see how that is my problem Now when i have kids, yes i will teach them the smart thing to do. Same as not smoking, doing good in school. There are alot of people that do things that we think are not right, but all those things dont bother me. maybe i am just thinking different from you because i dont have kids yet