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honestly our threads are just too damn long and I don't take notes. Perhaps if you cut out the sarcasm then cut out your holier than thow approach and know your audience and medium a little better aka an internet car forum not a master thesis you'll reduce your word count by 50% and more fucks will be given. Cliffs: Speak less, listen more and type with purpose. what I'm driving to get to when spending money Kerry isn't just to garner more data that perhaps may support a theory we already know. based on what measure? you've already clearly shown you don't believe they are effective because you're seeing deaths. thus your opinion and that of many are no, they are not effective. do we need a study that proves this? are we simply trying to spend money to garner data for the sake of data if what people want is change? why do that? Broad question really. More than what? What measure are you using to gauge a before and after and during what time frame? Are you looking to solve for suicides, accidents, murder, gang on gang, any particular demographics or just a huge paint brush of broad data that honestly we already have? get specific please. what enforcement are you speaking of? Are you speaking of particular weapon types? We already know the answers and have the data and to your last point, sure, we can ban all semi auto pistols and effect a measurable change. isn't that where all the haters are looking to take us anyway? Would that even be viable or make sense given the numbers of lives balanced against the cost? I say no. until then, let's focus on scary guns that kill a few hundred people every year. Suicides by gun are more a mental issue IMO so why worry about where the guns are coming from and why not spend money on fixing the real problem which is within the mental health arena not the gun arena. If it's a gun or a pill does it matter or wouldn't the real issue be the mental state of the person? just not sure what you hope to gain that we don't already know. Mental issues and guns don't mix and guns need locked up and kept from sick people especially. We already know the link between mental health and background checks are weak. Not sure what you're expecting to gleam from this. You can talk about your data leading to something but I would rather spend money on what we're looking for vs simply fishing blindly in hopes of finding something. sounds like good money after data just simply for the sake of data. I didn't marry a lawyer, I married a college student while I was one as well. In terms of questions being asked I'd say you are the one with some pretty wasteful ones. I get that you like to flaunt social science research BS but I prefer to put money where it's better spent vs just trying to garner data in which most of it we already have. Let's list out the direct detailed questions you seek and spend money where the answers to them need more data. It's not complicated Kerry so stop trying to make it out as if it is. Start at the end-game on either side of the extreme, work your way inward and find that happy median place. Starting place is what we have today and end game for the pussy's in life are no guns at all. We know something is going to give, so let's go and not go broke or continue to make excuses. You're a lawyer and don't like cross examinations and questions....odd.

What exactly do you think will be discovered should we spend money on this research?

completely the pedestrian/riders fail on many levels. sad event but honestly doing stupid shit can get you killed. at least fucking look for traffic when you're crossing regardless of where you are.

Kerry, you make everything complex and detailed. All lawyers do and anyone can if you give them enough budget and time which is why the groundhog day of these issues continue on. Welcome to politics. You and the poor you support don't have to agree as there are tons of others that pass you all by doing it every day. The fact stands that no, racism and slavery is no longer the main cause of peoples problems. Their solution is pretty simple but the fact stands that they have to plan and execute on that plan. It's hard work and no, not all of them will do it. Immigrants and people everywhere crawl their ass out the shit holes they are in and make it every day despite all the complex difficult challenges you and many others are using as a crutch and in many cases use as an anchor to hold them back. oh yeah....personal responsibility is such bullshit. heaven forbid anyone actually take responsibility for the role they play when interacting with law enforcement or making the choice to have kids. nonsense and completely just a myth of our fake narrative story. how silly are the rest of us in America for believing such dribble right? Look closely at the decline of fathers in the lives of the poor Kerry. Need we even go down that path and how single parent homes are not a good thing. Please... you're right, people have been trying to solve for these problems for decades but at some point they will realize the solution doesn't lie with them but within the person they are trying to help. lawyers are good sales people Kerry but no sales person is going to overcome the objection of their customer, they have to get them to overcome their own objections. you'll figure it out at some point. I suspect if you're a good parent that you likely have faced these challenges with your own kids or soon will. You can be the best parent in the world but unless you install the values in your kids and your kids grow up with the skill and will to make good choices it won't go smoothly. The choices they make which may not be the ones you wish for them will be what impact how their life turns out so be sure you prep them with a good base and stop brainwashing them that life is more about what happens to them vs what happens because of them. Those lawyers you mention from both sides are like you in that they come across as if they have all the answers because they talk more than they listen. One would think that at some point they would realize that the clients they serve have more to do with the solution and success than they do. Perhaps they really haven't figured that out or is it purposeful? hmmm.

no actually Kerry, to be an American means they are willing to show their commitment to the United States as a country (we aren't a new version of theirs or a country without borders) and they are to have a loyalty to our Constitution. They don't get to come here, shit on all that we are including ignoring our laws (we are a country of laws aren't we?) and then demand we accept them. yeah....because we all know our actions and behaviors both before we are stopped and during the police stop have little to no impact on how we are treated.

disagree. I've met them and don't see racism in them. these are people who I've even specifically asked about it and have not at all come back with racism in their response nor did I see any evidence in their interactions while staying there. YMMV but then I would also say that just like you're accusing them, that they are in turn a victim of your own biased opinion that doesn't take into account them as individuals. And the people of the US wonder why we are divided? doesn't change the fact of who they are as individuals or how they treat others day to day. not a dodge; I really would think that it would be odd and perhaps way outside what I'd expect on my street but then I wouldn't likely jump to conclusions without inquiring. I mean, you might not go up to them and ask WTF but I would. If for no other reason than to figure out what their deal is. so it's common sense to label people as racist without understanding them as individuals? got it. so why not take it further and call everyone in the deep south small towns of America Racists fucks. Oh wait..... maybe because they don't see it as a symbol of hate. again, cite whatever you want, there wouldn't be an argument the other way if so many people who were racists felt it was a symbol of hate....instead they would just collectively say they are indeed racists and not give a shit. last I checked, people who don't like blacks enough to fly a flag to mark their belief aren't usually too bashful about stating their views. not being afforded the same luxury? are you fucking kidding me? this is 2018 where they are so well understood it's fucking joke that it's now politically correct to hate on whites? how about just because they are people? why do you inject race or religion or faith or or country of origin, etc. such bullshit into things all the time? how about because there are people who actually do have a sense of southern pride that doesn't equate to meaning they want to hang blacks from trees or go around using N word? that's a great questions that would be best answered by the person doing it as IMO would depend on the context of who they are and the reasoning behind such a choice. I'm glad you think it would be easy for me to answer, but I don't come from the south so I can't answer nor do I feel it's my place to exhibit southern pride. I won't lie, I don't like all blacks. I don't like all whites or Asians either. That doesn't make me a racist. it's more than 1% true for lots of people even the ones marching in such situations. I think Forest Gump contained a scene/parody on it.

you like that....I tee'd that up for you purposely Even if I'm 73.5% serious.

I think the point is, these people aren't ignoring 150+ years of shit they don't believe in or accept nor ever applied to their flag or their lives. There are plenty that don't associate their southern pride and the flag they fly with racism regardless of what some other people may believe is so. I would think it very weird and odd. My argument would be that before I call them stupid, I better understand what their view point is. As noted above they just don't agree with what others see in the flag in that it's a universal apply-to-all symbol of someone who is a deep south racist because they fly it. Does simply flying it make them bad people or perhaps should their actions and views on racism perhaps be a better baseline to be used before casting that stone? Is it really too much to ask for people to perhaps not label them? Isn't that kinda what so many are saying about others? what they are is just what we all are, human beings just like those casting the stone/flag of racism so easily. Perhaps those so quick to judge should seek their viewpoint and understanding of what the flag means to them. you know, practice the tolerance of others and seek to understand before judging others. collective opinions? last I checked no one race in this country should be collectively getting together to dictate the behaviors or beliefs of another person. Sounds like bullying to me.

and you like to spin stuff as if I were to imply the world revolves around me. nice try even though it doesn't work that way. However, if in your mind it does, then so be it. You've been called out for applying a spin factor that even Bill O'Reilly would be proud of. you think but don't know....? here, I'll clarify it for you, I really don't care if you do or don't separate my opinions from your injection of spin-factor racism into things so as to make you feel better about yourself by continually trying to elevate yourself imposed pedestal. It's pretty apparent and clear so don't expect me to point it out every time. No need. assume you do, don't or deny it if it makes you feel better. it's still your lead but perhaps you're right, I've lowered myself to your level in order to have a conversation with you. shame on me. God Bless you for sticking to your convictions. at the end of the day you shit on Christians here quite a bit but I've come to expect it. you're like that odd-ball white guy supporting a crowed of brown people that look at you like WTF are you doing in our protest.... but no Kerry, I'm most certainly not interested in getting into a Urinary Olympic Event with you over Jesus. Fuck, I'd ban myself from here if I did as the pain inflicted upon the world from your walls of preacher text would block out the sun and we'd all die. because you are a lawyer, your opinions sometimes do suck and you're right, we should just drop it and leave it at that. thanks for clearing up any confusion on that matter

My brother has lived in a very small town about 1hr+ outside Houston since the early 80's and is more Texan than Ohioan anymore. Lots of people down there are normal good people who are not racist towards blacks but see the traditional battle flag as a representation of good old southern pride, valor and honor for the fight they see as occurring more around stats rights not as a flag that supports the right to slavery. Regardless of what some or perhaps many might say, they fly the flag for those reasons and while they may not exhibit what some would say is a sensitivity to those that are offended by it, they are indeed good people and not bad people who simply don't want to acknowledge a false belief that they are somehow racists for it. In other words you might call them bad people for not giving a shit but they see it as a group of others calling them racists for no valid reason. They aren't racists for simply flying a flag or being insensitive. There are other behaviors that go into being a racist towards blacks and no, they don't exhibit those.

good thing I was simply quoting your post and not the world. I don't confuse the two but you don't always separate whites and racist whites when you post about the matter. I'm also not separating you in any way, I'm simply taking the lead you set out there by noting your Jewish Heritage. I don't honestly care one bit who is what here on CR. Agree...and remember those pesky things called opinions aren't only had by me or by you, everyone has them. Christians aren't alone when it comes to having some type of hypocrisy either. again, Christians aren't alone. in the end, it doesn't matter what the religion/ideology says it's what their followers exhibit in the way of behaviors. whatever dude, it's your post those words came directly from. deflecting back to what I say or do won't change that. I don't keep count as it doesn't really matter. If you brought it up twice, it exists within you just the same and it's out there whether in a post you start or a conversation you participate in nonsense or not. No need to beat a dead horse as it's been out there for a while. they are your words/responses and your behaviors. if you fit a definition, that puts you there, it's certainly not because I said so as I agree with you completely; I'm not the elected spokesperson of white people everywhere. I'm glad we agree on that at least.

They never taught us that in school. I blame the nuns and priests though. Damn Catholic brainwashing

good thing I've not used the N word in our conversations or here. Good thing I don't fly a confederate flag. not a phrase I use. same to you in regards to the racism towards whites and Christians that also exists. You don't because I grasp it. I simply pulled my points directly from a quote you put in a post a while back. I say it's a cry for attention because you're on the internet here where most who read this have never met you nor know you're Jewish nor do they likely care and you brought it up and injected it where it was just odd to do. I know and have met you and still it never dawned on me nor was it really even relevant. You brought it up though. You know as well as anyone that you also discount the opinions of others who also are simply pointing out the obvious and also do it in such a way that casts a negative opinion on them. You do it to whites and Christians and I'm quite confident you know it too. You just try and hide it behind walls of text and smart ass talk while hold that higher-than-tho attitude many here have brought up to you. We all know you don't care, thus why you have had that rep here since about day one. At first it really ticked a lot of people off because you attempted to play it off or hide it, but as time has gone on, most realize it's just how you roll vs putting it out there up-front.

oh yeah, I forgot your Jewish Heritage, even though you're not one in a religious sense, somehow makes you sensitive to any reference that involves race or racism. Somehow that being Jewish causes you to have a need to count confederate flags you see because to you they are a warning label, and together it's all a part of a self preservation mechanism......because we all know in today's climate white Jewish males from NY are under attack. Is that some sort of fear for modern day Nazi Antisemitism or just a cry for attention where none would even be seen otherwise because honestly no one cares about or would even know your religious heritage.

Just going to quote the last line of this post

Agree. I would contact a couple local dealers and perhaps even gather data from Mecum Auctions.

I wasn't implying violence or anything like that you twat Sent from my Galaxy Note 8 using Tapatalk

Lots of great behaviors on Saturday in NYC. If you've never been to the parade or out in NYC on St. Patty's day then you're missing out on a lot of fun people watching.....and that wonderful smell of piss and puke. The decision some people make will blow your mind.

no, actually my interest is around the behavior of the bad guys and those in their lives as that glock didn't just walk itself over to the school and discharge itself.

nope...just a 9mm Glock and the kid was whacked within a minute by a SWAT Team member working a shift as the school cop. Far far different than the response by the cops in Florida. Will be interesting to see where the kid got the gun.

^^ clearly you have me confused with another poster as I've been in NYC all week and have not a clue what you're talking about. something about a kid in Hilliard I guess but again, not aware. I didn't even watch TV there.

nice attempt at spin but quite the opposite as I'm quite aware and informed, I just as noted, don't give a shit. Yeah....that's my line when it comes to digging deeper into your thoughts on that point. Clear or do want to continue spinning things? let me clarify........buy me coffee and I'll listen. but carry on with your continued assumptions and over thinking of things. boy you are a one way only driver aren't you? so you can do the above but I can't because you don't like it when I do? what are you a 6 year old? You do Kerry, you make a cup of coffee complex. do you really still need to ask the questions you just did when I've provided my viewpoint to the point even I'm tired of talking about it because I know you don't want to hear it or will just continue to spin like a top? Wow! Maybe I have stumped you or perhaps you are just a self winding spinner. ^^^ that complex thing........you do it without even trying. You clearly didn't even here the woosh of air that went over your head I bet.

^^ I don't recall saying that as I know they weren't "forced to participate" My kids had plenty of options and I shared that my son didn't go outside to joint he liberals or to the neutral group of in the cafeteria, he instead went and organized a group of kids to meet in another room to form the opposition party and two teachers of his not only supported that move they volunteered to monitor that room.

My beef isn't with the students. I've never even addressed or mentioned them or their actions. I don't like that public schools and their administrators are pushing a political agenda on school time involving students as pawns; regardless of how students feel as they don't run the school and while they are entitled to their opinion, they can voice it on their own time and dime if they choose to. In terms of a fevered dream....no, it's not, there are simliar laws, especially as it relates to mentally ill or fucked up people. this matter just requires that we collectively not focus on guns and instead focus on people, but that is a dream world to you because it doesn't fit the agenda which is to stay focused on guns. otherwise, it's not a difficult concept. I'm certain however that between you and Kerry there will be walls of text that blame others, speak of how complicated and expensive it would be, how the NRA or other group would prevent it, blah, blah.....more excuses to stay focused on shiny bang-sticks that don't do anyone any harm except when bad people are in play. I'd insert the WRONG Trump Meme but it's been over played. Feel free to continue making up assumptions though. No wonder you and Kerry are together again. Called that spot-on didn't I. You're beginning to be too predictable.

the fact that I can't name one isn't surprising as I don't give a shit. that's your concern and if you can't name one then go start one. 99% serious as it will do you more good than bantering all day. I'd ask more questions but in all honesty, I have little interest. that's a coffee conversation as it's a huge assumption on your part. you do a lot of that and perhaps you don't even realize it.surprising for a guy who argues facts for a living. because you are an expert on research right? little Kerrism back at you; likely followed up by walls of text on how you are indeed more of an expert and on holier than all others.... you think just like a stupid lawyer dude, complex solutions filled with mystery and margin in terms of profit and dollars spent to find the most expensive solution. the problem doesn't need tons of money thrown at studying guns or gun violence but hey, that's what you got a hard-on for so rub one out to that daily if that pleases you so much. time to stop focusing on the scary metal and start addressing people. you know in business if someone sends dick-pics they get fired, the company doesn't just take away cell phones from people...but you don't get it.