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All good points. However if the criminal draws before you notice and react, your SA is lacking. Course this is coming from someone that views the world as a battlefield.

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Agreed. Just be prepared to shoot the idiot when they wander aggressively into your lane.

I agree most should know about safety. But most aren't trained in assessing and responding to a threat. If our state had no regulations in place, then so be it. I still would like to see CHL holders be trained in how to react to situations, but it would be a personal choice at that point. Else wise they will never know until the situation is upon them and then they are forced to make a decision they are not mentally prepared for, and have to react physically in a manner they have never reacted before. Since there is training required, I would like it to actually matter, and not just be a class you go to and learn laws and how to pull a trigger.

Lol. Stitches are cool and chicks dig scars. I understand the point, but its apples to oranges. You really have to get up close to kill with a knife, and their purchase is not regulated (Save autos and such). Unless I slice in just the right angle on a vein/artery, you will likely survive. Not the case with a firearm. (Save the shooter that hits their assailant in the foot.)

I got an old Joe Rocket Mesh in Medium. I'll snap some pics tomorrow.

All are valid points for benefits of open carry. At the same time, a criminal immediately knows you are armed, and they need to disarm or kill you first. You just make yourself a target. And the masses are stupid and easily scared.

You just made the same point I've been making. (In a different context) If you cannot prove you are trained and can handle the variety of situations you may encounter, you shouldn't be engaging in the activity. You are also right in that carry laws vary state to state.

Yup, and it is shitty. All these laws do is just prevent people who are trying to follow them from being able to defend themselves. I'm not saying that less people should carry, I'm just saying that those that do need to be trained for the situations they will encounter. Both the physical and mental side. Because the current training is a joke in that aspect. But having people empowered by having a weapon and yet not knowing how to: use it, clear a malfunction, fire from cover, identify targets, maintain control of their weapon, know when to break contact....., is not really any better. If you are going to require training, train people for the situations. A CCW is not a piece of jewelry or something you just get to have. If you can't carry responsibly, properly identify situations, retreat when appropriate, and kill people when needed, you don't need to carry a weapon.

It is a situational thing. If you are in a situation that you can get out of safely, there is no need to take another person's life. If the situation does not allow you or the endangered person to escape, then deadly force is justified. Pretty cut and dry IMO. You leave or you kill them. The stand your ground law gives room for people to just stay there for whatever reason instead of retreating when they could have and ending the situation peacefully. Assuming a SAFE exit strategy exists. I was more meaning Zimmerman was unnecessarily following Trevyon prior to the incident.

I don't like big government anymore than you do. Your constitutional right allows you to carry a weapon in an open manner. The ability to conceal that weapon is what requires permission. I would like to see people really trained before they are allowed to carry concealed. Else wise anyone 21 years or older who can pull a trigger and sit in one place for 12 hours can get a license. None of the class requirements really test the shooter physically or mentally. There is no point to carrying a weapon if you are not prepared and willing to use it. Take Zimmerman for example. Although he was justified in defending himself, the right answer in that situation was to break contact and let the police handle it. (Not trying to start the Zimmerman battle here, please don't respond to this if it is only to this and not the original topic) Some simple situational drills could cover that.

Nor do I, but it is a law. However, so is letting blind old people drive.

All SOCOM operators from all branches share some schools. Army Airborne, Navy egress.... All have ones for each branch that mirror one another. Combat Diver, Survival, SERE, Medic....

The purpose of the CHL course is to educate people about the laws surrounding carrying a weapon and when you are allowed to use deadly force. It is very important to know when you are legal to draw and when you are legal to use deadly force. The firing portion of the CHL classes seem to be just to see if you can hit a silhouette at 10 feet. That tells you the user can find the trigger and point the weapon. IMO there is a decent percentage of people that carry as a security blanket, and would draw but lack the resolve to pull the trigger (Not even including the idiots that carry to be cool) when their/others lives are on the line. In addition to the laws being covered, I would like to see the CHL process change to incorporate psychological evaluation and resilience to ensure those carrying truly possess the ability to make a split-second decision that will save a life, but take one as well. Of course along with that the requirements for the range would be increased as well. The range should test the shooter in all aspects. Normal range shooting would still be included. In addition to that, the shooter should be starting with a holstered weapon and be placed in a situation where they are moving and they have to identify the threat and react to it without endangering any bystanders. This should also involve situations where the appropriate response is to break contact. These extra steps would produce license holders that really will be assets in situations where a CCW is useful. It hopefully would also allow the removal of restricted zones due to the higher level of training.

I agree that Open Carry draws unwanted attention to you, and it lets the bad guys know exactly who to target first as a potential resistor. Especially if you already have your license it is too easy to just tuck the shirt over the weapon. I don't want people knowing I have a weapon, save a minor print, unless it is drawn in defense of myself or another. I also don't think the average person will know what your carry weapon is chambered in vs. what you are buying. I disagree that it makes gun owners look bad however. The OP was 100% within his legal rights to carry openly as long as Wal-Mart did not have a sign posted. No, I still don't like them or their reaction. If the employee got scared and called his boss that's fine. But the boss not knowing the rules is not cool. A phone call from the district manager is about the absolute least they could have done. I do applaud you for handling this well. I would have argued until they let me return the ammo. I also would refuse to shop there again until the manager was fired. But I'm a vindictive asshole. Situation could have been avoided by concealing, but that is your choice and you were legal in choosing it. None the less, shitty situation, and sorry that happened to you.

Nabbed the bastards: http://www.clarksvilleonline.com/2012/05/03/clarksville-police-make-arrests-in-victory-road-homicide-case/

All condolences are much appreciated. I will pass them along to the family. You and me both.

I've been waiting for the news to catch up enough to the point that I can tell some of this story and ensure I'm not releasing new information. This involves a good friend of mine in my unit, and his roommate, Taylor. I have been friends with my buddy for a while, but I was just an acquaintance of Taylor's. He always struck me as a nice guy, and always willing to help others. They did not live in the greatest area of town, but it wasn't terrible either. Both my friend and Taylor were married and living separately from their wives. My friend and Taylor deployed to Afghanistan together. My friend was injured and MEDEVAC'ed back. Taylor recently returned at the end of the deployment. Saturday evening two individuals in their apartment complex's parking lot requested Taylor's help. First he allowed them to borrow his cell to make a call. Second he agreed to give them a ride. All out of the goodness of his heart. They killed him. It was intentional, and planned. I will not elaborate beyond that. First and foremost, sorry to see him go. I salute his bravery and compassion. He will be missed. Second, watch your ass. You never know what that other person is going to do. If you offer help, do it cautiously. Never trust until verified, and always maintain situational awareness. Third, hopefully this helps you put a little perspective on life. It sure as hell made me realize that my "bad" evening the night prior was nothing compared to what happened to Taylor, and what his friends and family have to go through now. I've spent the rest of the week going out of my way to make sure I'm doing all I can. Fourth, relish the time you have with those around you. You never know when it could end. http://www.newschannel5.com/story/18012262/family-seeks-answers-to-soldiers-murder

Due to my job, I can't post a decent reply here. Humbug.

I saw the name Citori XS adjustable and I was thinking this might be a gift for your wife. Or an adventurous evening for you.

Nope. I got it at a great price. They do tend to be a little higher normally, and the Delaware tax rate doesn't help. Military discount helps though. Not to mention that a lifetime warranty comes with it. (Not that it matters with the Wilson) That lifetime warranty is going to be great with my MSAR (Which I got at a price under anything I've seen online as well.) I looked at the Les Baer's and Ed Brown's but was really drawn to the Wilson. The style, fit, and function was awesome. The factory warranty and support is great. If you're in the Central Ohio area send me a PM. I'd like to arrange a range day so I can shoot the Baer side by side.

+1

I'd have to ask my mother-in-law to verify the dates. Sometime when I was overseas so it is hazy. I agree, I hate those stories because you never really know. Sort of a catch 22 for me, because I'm not going to lie and say I was there, but I didn't want to not mention it either. Apparently the staff at the Urgent Care has a pretty poor look on Wings and Rings in that regard. I do appreciate that. Since it is dark and scary out there, will you hold my hand too? I agree, and I always try and do the same for my family and friends. I'm not worried about myself, I pretty much stopped drinking when I go out so I can always have my weapon on me. I just don't like supporting poor service. The crime could happen anywhere, so I'm a little harsh in blaming them for it. I still think someone should have seen/heard something to have been able to help though.

Well I am glad to see I'm not the only one to have problems with the place. I'll continue to encourage people to go elsewhere, mainly Blackwing. I think that is an unfair statement. The 1911 platform can be very reliable if it is set-up properly and fitted correctly. And not messed with too much. Again, the Wilson is the most reliable weapon I've owned thus far. The benefits of a 1911 platform are well worth it. Smaller profile due to single stack design. Locking barrel design gets great accuracy. Trigger pull is awesome. (The terrible "DA" Glock trigger was enough for me to want to replace it without it being gigantic.) Extra safety features, including a manual safety.... Lol. At least I can shoot the exterior rapists.

I understand that, and with as happy as I am with my Wilson, I'm glad I never gave up. Bring your weapon to Kevin at Blackwing. He'll take care of you. Maybe, but any business has to have certain standards. Both in sales practices and in customer service. I'll pay extra for that too. It pays out in dividends when things go wrong.