This thread has been a bit entertaining. While I am far from all knowing, I have been around this rivalry (regardless of state - and can recall when the tables were reversed) both here in Cleveland, in Pittsburgh (where more than half of my family is from) and around the country as a Browns Backer president. The reason Browns fanguy and Stillers fanguy hate/loathe eachother and eachother's teams so much is they are the same guy. They think the same way about their team, about the other guy's team, and about most things in life. They are cut from the same cloth, are passionate beyond the realm of common sense, and know what it take to get under the other one's skin because its the same shit that bothers them. And I will tell you that the truest fans of each team AND the sport have a begrudging respect for the other, almost like an evil twin sibling. If you have a Cowboys fan, a Redskins fan, a Stiller fan, and a Browns fan in a bar and the subject of rivalries comes up, those Browns fan and Stiller fan will have eachother's back in that fight. They won't like it, but they will defend the overall rivalry of their teams against anyone elses. Its why football is the greatest team sport in our country, and will continue to be so long as they play it. Stiller fans are no better or no worse than Browns fans, regardless of either of each team's success. But I will say that the NFL is a better league when both of these teams are doing well. And would be a helluva lot better if the Ravens didn't exist.