Shoop Posted October 14, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2019 1 hour ago, Iggy said: ... was thinking to get a tad wider tire, theoretically should do better in a curve? I've always stuck to the stock dimensions. Ask around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimTheAzn Posted October 14, 2019 Report Share Posted October 14, 2019 2 hours ago, Iggy said: Yeah got her home without any problem just bummed that I couldn't continue with you guys. Didn't go to Iron pony yet, need to figure out what tire I want on there, also was thinking to get a tad wider tire, theoretically should do better in a curve? What do you ride? Typically a taller tire 55 vs 60 will give you more of a safety net lean angle wise, not going from a 180 to a 190 (which may or may not be possible depending on the tire manufacture/bike.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonik Posted October 14, 2019 Report Share Posted October 14, 2019 2 hours ago, Iggy said: was thinking to get a tad wider tire, theoretically should do better in a curve? And it's a tire thread! A wider tire will be slower to tip in. Change to a wider tire may also make the bike "push" and not corner as well. I am going to go with the Aussie engineers that picked your tire size know the geometry of the bike better than a bunch of asshats on Ohio Riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motocat12 Posted October 14, 2019 Report Share Posted October 14, 2019 Wider tires get pinched if not on a wider rim. Multi compound should do better if you aren't on them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimTheAzn Posted October 14, 2019 Report Share Posted October 14, 2019 15 minutes ago, Tonik said: And it's a tire thread! A wider tire will be slower to tip in. Change to a wider tire may also make the bike "push" and not corner as well. I am going to go with the Aussie engineers that picked your tire size know the geometry of the bike better than a bunch of asshats on Ohio Riders. I run a 180 wheel and tire on a bike that should have a 160 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonik Posted October 14, 2019 Report Share Posted October 14, 2019 5 minutes ago, TimTheAzn said: I run a 180 wheel and tire on a bike that should have a 160 Yea, but you suck at math. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shoop Posted October 14, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2019 22 minutes ago, Tonik said: And it's a tire thread! A wider tire will be slower to tip in. Change to a wider tire may also make the bike "push" and not corner as well. I am going to go with the Aussie engineers that picked your tire size know the geometry of the bike better than a bunch of asshats on Ohio Riders. Um, it's Ossie for Oestericher. The Aussies are all down under. The Aussies wouldn't be picky about tire specs anyway, they'd find a way to make it work. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
what Posted October 14, 2019 Report Share Posted October 14, 2019 Unless you're having trouble finding a good tire in the stock size or you have a specific application of using a non-stock size in mind I would stick with what the manufacturer recommends. There should be a decent selection of 160 tires available from most tire manufacturers and 150/160 is listed as stock for your bike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motocat12 Posted October 14, 2019 Report Share Posted October 14, 2019 Austrie engineers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shoop Posted October 14, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2019 (edited) 21 minutes ago, motocat12 said: Austrie engineers? Didn't you see those badass bikes on MadMax? Oh, now I get it. I don't think that's a nickname that the guys from Mattighoffen use for themselves. Edited October 14, 2019 by Shoop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2talltim Posted October 14, 2019 Report Share Posted October 14, 2019 The connie calls for a 190/50 i like to run a 190/55 tips in way easier, the spedo is more correct and make the bike taller so I hit hard parts less. Down side is technially smaller contact patch(but don't really notice) and they wear out quicker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motocat12 Posted October 14, 2019 Report Share Posted October 14, 2019 34 minutes ago, 2talltim said: The connie calls for a 190/50 i like to run a 190/55 tips in way easier, the spedo is more correct and make the bike taller so I hit hard parts less. Down side is technially smaller contact patch(but don't really notice) and they wear out quicker. Contact patches technically never change size, just shape 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iggy Posted October 14, 2019 Report Share Posted October 14, 2019 (edited) I ride ktm duke 390 with tire 150/60/17, was thinking to bump it up to 160. It's not hard to find same spec tire just thought it might do better. Also is it normal for tire to wear out completely after 4k miles? But then again I'm a heavy set dude lol 😮 Edited October 14, 2019 by Iggy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killer_kaw Posted October 14, 2019 Report Share Posted October 14, 2019 22 minutes ago, Iggy said: I ride ktm duke 390 with tire 150/60/17, was thinking to bump it up to 160. It's not hard to find same spec tire just thought it might do better. Also is it normal for tire to wear out completely after 4k miles? But then again I'm a heavy set dude lol 😮 My tracer burnt through the stock rear in less than 3500 miles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howabusa Posted October 14, 2019 Report Share Posted October 14, 2019 Iron pony will only sell and mount the stock size tire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2talltim Posted October 14, 2019 Report Share Posted October 14, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, motocat12 said: Contact patches technically never change size, just shape You sure? I'm not saying i know this for sure. But one would think a tire with a steeper curve vs one with less curve would have slightly less contact patch. With everything else being equal ofcourse. A over kill example would be a moto tire vs a car tire. they can be the same size but obviously the car tire will have more contact patch. Edited October 14, 2019 by 2talltim 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonik Posted October 14, 2019 Report Share Posted October 14, 2019 5 minutes ago, 2talltim said: You sure? I'm not saying i know this for sure. But one would think a tire with a steeper curve vs one with less curve would have slightly less contact patch. With everything else being equal ofcourse. A over kill example would be a moto tire vs a car tire. they can be the same size but obviously the car tire will have more contact patch. I think it is more accurate to say the friction/grip of a tire does not change when the contact patch size changes. Physics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motocat12 Posted October 14, 2019 Report Share Posted October 14, 2019 https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/videos/a4835/thing-you-thought-you-knew-points-of-contact-tire-patches/&ved=2ahUKEwjZwa2-mJzlAhVT_J4KHczLBKYQFjALegQICxAB&usg=AOvVaw2lJNG1nd4rWs1iRAB285SO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2talltim Posted October 14, 2019 Report Share Posted October 14, 2019 1 minute ago, Tonik said: I think it is more accurate to say the friction/grip of a tire does not change when the contact patch size changes. Physics. This could be why I've never noticed a difference with my assumption. And the faster wear could just be because I'm running it harder because i'm not having to force the bike to turn as much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2talltim Posted October 14, 2019 Report Share Posted October 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, motocat12 said: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/videos/a4835/thing-you-thought-you-knew-points-of-contact-tire-patches/&ved=2ahUKEwjZwa2-mJzlAhVT_J4KHczLBKYQFjALegQICxAB&usg=AOvVaw2lJNG1nd4rWs1iRAB285SO Excellent read. Always learning. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonik Posted October 14, 2019 Report Share Posted October 14, 2019 7 minutes ago, 2talltim said: Excellent read. Always learning. Thanks https://www.stevemunden.com/friction.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimTheAzn Posted October 14, 2019 Report Share Posted October 14, 2019 21 minutes ago, Tonik said: I think it is more accurate to say the friction/grip of a tire does not change when the contact patch size changes. Physics. Unless I'm misunderstanding your statement, grip level absolutely changes depending on the size of the contact patch. More rubber to the road you get more grip. That's one of the main reasons for trail braking. What pressures were you running on that rear and how much highway do you ride? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2talltim Posted October 14, 2019 Report Share Posted October 14, 2019 5 minutes ago, TimTheAzn said: Unless I'm misunderstanding your statement, grip level absolutely changes depending on the size of the contact patch. More rubber to the road you get more grip. That's one of the main reasons for trail braking. What pressures were you running on that rear and how much highway do you ride? No trail braking has to do with weight transfer. More weight = more friction Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2talltim Posted October 14, 2019 Report Share Posted October 14, 2019 22 minutes ago, Tonik said: https://www.stevemunden.com/friction.html Excellent info. Will need to reread it a few times to totally grasp it all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonik Posted October 14, 2019 Report Share Posted October 14, 2019 12 minutes ago, TimTheAzn said: Unless I'm misunderstanding your statement, grip level absolutely changes depending on the size of the contact patch. More rubber to the road you get more grip. That's one of the main reasons for trail braking. Grip is the friction between the tire and the road. The friction is based on pounds per inch. More area equals less pounds per inch but the overall pounds per inch is a constant. Math and physics are very clear in this. Trail braking is to preload the front tire. You have to load the tire before you work the tire. You are putting more weight on the front before you turn hard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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