Mr. Jones Posted October 18, 2012 Report Share Posted October 18, 2012 I think you guys are retarded. Airbags have always been designed around passengers wearing the seatbelt. It's part of a carefully engineered system, remove the belt and all hell breaks lose to the model. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Das Borgen Posted October 18, 2012 Report Share Posted October 18, 2012 He is somewhat right. Air bags were designed to protect the driver because when they were invented usage of seat belt rates were very low. Not according to sources Car and Driver magazine is quoting, don't have the issue in front of me but they quoted numbers from NHTSA about belt usage and how some companies are testing airbags. y'all keep believing what y'all wanna believe I think you guys are retarded. Airbags have always been designed around passengers wearing the seatbelt. It's part of a carefully engineered system, remove the belt and all hell breaks lose to the model. thank you 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Apex Posted October 18, 2012 Report Share Posted October 18, 2012 y'all keep believing what y'all wanna believe thank you Doesn't matter to me either way. I'm just glad they came out with the newer airbags that don't try to decapitate you when they go off like the one that tried to do to me years back, seatbelt stopped me then airbag snapped my head back into the seat.:dumb: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Got-Boost? Posted October 18, 2012 Report Share Posted October 18, 2012 http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-10-15/kyle-bennett-three-time-bmx-cycling-world-champion-dies-at-33 That happened just down the road from my house. I didn't even realize he was local until after... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otis Nice Posted October 18, 2012 Report Share Posted October 18, 2012 Doesn't matter to me either way. I'm just glad they came out with the newer airbags that don't try to decapitate you when they go off like the one that tried to do to me years back, seatbelt stopped me then airbag snapped my head back into the seat.:dumb: Reminded me of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallard Posted October 18, 2012 Report Share Posted October 18, 2012 (edited) My wife designs airbags and from my conversations with her about this over a year ago, I believe you are correct. I think the out-of-position tests are all unbelted, but I could ask her to confirm. Obviously everything is designed as a system and you are safest when you use them all together. And airbag may prevent serious injury by slowing down your body in a controlled manner and/or preventing a hard impact with the structure of the vehicle, but it does nothing to restrict your body's movement, like a seatbelt does. Edited October 18, 2012 by Mallard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorne Posted October 18, 2012 Report Share Posted October 18, 2012 (edited) 2 of my cousins were involved in a crash. The one wearing a seat belt died, the other who wasn't wearing one, was thrown out and walked away with bruises. If its your time, it's going to happen either way Do you ever say things that are logical? No one has a time to go, If you doubt this please put a gun in your mouth and pull the trigger. If it goes off it must have been your time. Seat belts save lives. For every this one guy lived cause he flew out the windows theres 20 cases where if people had seatbelts on they would have lived. on the same note I hate when Motorcyle Riders don't wear there brain buckets Edited October 18, 2012 by Thorne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorne Posted October 18, 2012 Report Share Posted October 18, 2012 Seat belts saved more than 75,000 lives from 2004 to 2008. Forty-two percent of passenger vehicle occupants killed in 2007 were unbelted. A 2009 NHTSA study estimates more than 1,600 lives could be saved and 22,000 injuries prevented if seat belt use was 90 percent in every state. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otis Nice Posted October 18, 2012 Report Share Posted October 18, 2012 Seat belts save lives. For every this one guy lived cause he flew out the windows theres 20 cases where if people had seatbelts on they would have lived. on the same note I hate when Motorcyle Riders don't wear there brain buckets Seat belts saved more than 75,000 lives from 2004 to 2008. Forty-two percent of passenger vehicle occupants killed in 2007 were unbelted. A 2009 NHTSA study estimates more than 1,600 lives could be saved and 22,000 injuries prevented if seat belt use was 90 percent in every state. While I agree, at it's core these are all "what if's". Unless it happens in a controlled environment many times with balanced controls than all we can say is, "if this than this". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallard Posted October 18, 2012 Report Share Posted October 18, 2012 My wife designs airbags and from my conversations with her about this over a year ago, I believe you are correct. I think the out-of-position tests are all unbelted, but I could ask her to confirm. Obviously everything is designed as a system and you are safest when you use them all together. And airbag may prevent serious injury by slowing down your body in a controlled manner and/or preventing a hard impact with the structure of the vehicle, but it does nothing to restrict your body's movement, like a seatbelt does. P.S. I just confirmed with the wife. The US mandates tests with and without a belted passanger that you have to pass, while Europe does not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallard Posted October 18, 2012 Report Share Posted October 18, 2012 While I agree, at it's core these are all "what if's". Unless it happens in a controlled environment many times with balanced controls than all we can say is, "if this than this". Why to race car drivers wear harnesses, helmets, HANS, have seat halo's and/or nets on both sides of them? It would not be accepted in the public to require everyone in a car to be restrained this way, but all the safety devices in your car are working together as a system to accomplish the same result. The belt restricts your movement and can slow you body down, the frontal airbag additionally slows your body down and prevents extreme neck angles, the side curtain prevents your skull from contacting the structure of the car, the thorax bags prevent your body from contacting the structure of the car, the inboard thorax bag prevents the two font passangers from hitting each other...and so on. All of this IS developed in a controlled environment and done hundreds of times before a car reaches production. The highest chances of survival in an accident are when you wear your seatbelt (and hopefully have lots of airbags too). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lauren Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 i was in a bad car accident in august. the seatbelt receiver was pushed into my side above my hip bone. tore the interior and exterior obliques clean off the hip bone. the air bag split open my forehead and burned my inner arms. had i not had my seat belt on i would be dead. i am a huge believer in seat belts. i thank god everyday i had it buckled up even if it did fuck me up. after a long surgery to repair me and 2 months of rehab i am finally getting better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otis Nice Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 Why to race car drivers wear harnesses, helmets, HANS, have seat halo's and/or nets on both sides of them? It would not be accepted in the public to require everyone in a car to be restrained this way, but all the safety devices in your car are working together as a system to accomplish the same result. The belt restricts your movement and can slow you body down, the frontal airbag additionally slows your body down and prevents extreme neck angles, the side curtain prevents your skull from contacting the structure of the car, the thorax bags prevent your body from contacting the structure of the car, the inboard thorax bag prevents the two font passangers from hitting each other...and so on. All of this IS developed in a controlled environment and done hundreds of times before a car reaches production. The highest chances of survival in an accident are when you wear your seatbelt (and hopefully have lots of airbags too). Yeah...um, I know. Reread the first three words of my post. Sometimes though regardless of what you do death happens. That's all I'm saying. I never once said I didn't believe in the tested system. I wear my seat belt everytime I'm in any vehicle. My life HAS been saved in a fatal accident. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRed05 Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 Jesus is my seatbelt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Apex Posted October 20, 2012 Report Share Posted October 20, 2012 Reminded me of this. A.J. Cook is soo damn hot...........especially as a brunette......:masturboy: Years back in my friends Grand am(1st year with air bags I think) an idiot suddenly swerved left of center and took us head on, seatbelt stopped me, then the air bag popped and tried to put hy head out the rear window, hurt like hell and somehow didn't break my neck. I'm not trying to argue how the testing with them is done, just going by what I read and I figrured it was tested both ways by different organizations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
351mach11647545510 Posted October 20, 2012 Report Share Posted October 20, 2012 Do you ever say things that are logical? No one has a time to go, If you doubt this please put a gun in your mouth and pull the trigger. If it goes off it must have been your time. Seat belts save lives. For every this one guy lived cause he flew out the windows theres 20 cases where if people had seatbelts on they would have lived. on the same note I hate when Motorcyle Riders don't wear there brain buckets you explain it then. no brain bucket for me either. feel free to ead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallard Posted October 20, 2012 Report Share Posted October 20, 2012 Years back in my friends Grand am(1st year with air bags I think) an idiot suddenly swerved left of center and took us head on, seatbelt stopped me, then the air bag popped and tried to put hy head out the rear window, hurt like hell and somehow didn't break my neck. I'm not trying to argue how the testing with them is done, just going by what I read and I figrured it was tested both ways by different organizations. Airbags have come a long way since then. Look up low-risk deploy airbags or out-of-position testing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTQ B4U Posted October 20, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2012 I would never drive in a car with air bags and NOT wear my belt. My brother had one deploy and even with a seatbelt, he got a bloody nose and left a clear face print on the bag. I'd post a pic but it's bloody and not pretty. Clear though. He WAS belted in too. Back in the late 90's I was behind a lady in a wagon that skidded off road and hit a tree. Several of us ran up to her car to help and when she opened the door it was clear she wasn't belted and her entire face was turning black and blue before our eyes as she was clobbered by the air bag. We ended up just leaving her in the car at that point because we had no idea how bad she was hurt. Wasn't a huge impact but that bag nailed her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallard Posted October 20, 2012 Report Share Posted October 20, 2012 Part of the reason for low-risk deploy is because shorter people (typically women) sometimes sit way too close to the steering wheel. This could lead to something like what you saw. Also, don't ever(!!!!!!) ride shotgun with your feet up on the dash. I see people doing this all the time and it's asking for serious injury. On the flip side of everyone's air bag injuries, I was in a head-on collision while driving a 1993 Oldsmobile and was perfectly fine. My glasses were still on and weren't even bent. It wasn't a high speed impact though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Apex Posted October 20, 2012 Report Share Posted October 20, 2012 Airbags have come a long way since then. Look up low-risk deploy airbags or out-of-position testing. They're based a lot on speed and force of impact nowadays aren't they? I know they work in stages if I've read it right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nurkvinny Posted October 21, 2012 Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 I lost two close friends when I was 19 when they were both ejected from a vehicle. I can't honestly claim they'd be here today if they had been wearing a belt, but I know how it ended when they weren't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallard Posted October 21, 2012 Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 They're based a lot on speed and force of impact nowadays aren't they? I know they work in stages if I've read it right. Multiple stages, adaptive vents, bag teathers, etc. Even the size of the inflator being used today is much smaller than it used to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otis Nice Posted October 21, 2012 Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 Jesus is my seatbelt :gabe: :lolguy: I'd post a pic but it's bloody and not pretty. Clear though. He WAS belted in too. in4pics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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