Todd#43 Posted September 7, 2009 Report Share Posted September 7, 2009 Exactly.What does it have to do with the discussion at hand?Oh noes...can't bring that up.Sure you can, its just not relevant.Just as some of you assume my disdain for BHO is rooted in tacit racism, you also feel that my disdain for the current administration implies approval of the previous one. Both assumptions are wrong."Its RACIST" and "BBBbbbbuuuuttttt BBbbbbuuuusssh did it" are old, tired arguments, and only serve to disguise the fact that you have no real argument and nothing of merit to support your position.Come on....say it with me...."You're a RACIST""BBBBBbbbbuuuut Bush did it""You're STUPID"Now, take another drink of the kool-aid. See? All better.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InyaAzz Posted September 7, 2009 Report Share Posted September 7, 2009 What does it have to do with the discussion at hand?Sure you can, its just not relevant.Just as some of you assume my disdain for BHO is rooted in tacit racism, you also feel that my disdain for the current administration implies approval of the previous one. Both assumptions are wrong."Its RACIST" and "BBBbbbbuuuuttttt BBbbbbuuuusssh did it" are old, tired arguments, and only serve to disguise the fact that you have no real argument and nothing of merit to support your position.Come on....say it with me...."You're a RACIST""BBBBBbbbbuuuut Bush did it""You're STUPID"Now, take another drink of the kool-aid. See? All better....Did you pull your kids out of school when Bush/Clinton/Whoever was being 'unconstitutional'? If you didn't have kids then...would you have? Because...at last check, Bush had more czars than Obama currently has. Did you make your opinions known on how much you hated the fact that Bush/Clinton/Whoever was President and shouldn't speak to anyone in your family?If you did/would have, kudos to you for being different. Because in my years on this earth, I've learned that people rarely walk down the middle and only become flag waving and constituional-like when it serves their purpose. If you don't fit into this category..good for you.We can go down the line of most recent Presidents and I'm sure someone can come up with a few things on how he was unethical...surrounded themselves with questionable people...etc..etc. And ..for the record..I never called anyone in this thread a racist, nor am I an Obama nut rider. Actually, I never addressed YOU directly..but you took the torch and ran with it.And with that..I need to get some air. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd#43 Posted September 7, 2009 Report Share Posted September 7, 2009 Did you pull your kids out of school when Bush/Clinton/Whoever was being 'unconstitutional'? If you didn't have kids then...would you have? Because...at last check, Bush had more czars than Obama currently has. Did you make your opinions known on how much you hated the fact that Bush/Clinton/Whoever was President and shouldn't speak to anyone in your family?Ahhh, you're following the party line nicely. "BBbbbuuuuttttt Bush did it too.."If you're going to tell me that Bush had more "czars' at this point in his administration than BHO has right now you ought to come to the table with some facts that didn't happen. Maybe I could take a page out JRMiii's book and say "bullshit - if you can't prove it, it didnt happen"? The last time something "similar" to this happened (2001) my kids werent in school, and because of that I was rather disinterested. However, I never said that a "president shouldn't speak to anyone in my family". What I've said is if they want to see or hear it, its fine - no problem. But like anything else of questionable intent I want to be involved with it. Additionally, taking valuable classroom time for something like this is a waste.If you did/would have, kudos to you for being different. Because in my years on this earth, I've learned that people rarely walk down the middle and only become flag waving and constituional-like when it serves their purpose. If you don't fit into this category..good for you.Of course it "serves my purpose". Obviously, your stance on the topic "serves your purpose". People talk about things that affect them on some level. We can go down the line of most recent Presidents and I'm sure someone can come up with a few things on how he was unethical...surrounded themselves with questionable people...etc..etc.Again with the bbbbbuuut bbbbbush (or whoever) did it. You seem to have that down pretty well. One more time - my disagreement with the current administration DOES NOT IMPLY THAT I APPROVED OF EVERYTHING ANY PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION DID. And ..for the record..I never called anyone in this thread a racist, nor am I an Obama nut rider. Actually, I never addressed YOU directly..but you took the torch and ran with it.And with that..I need to get some air.Oh, my bad. I thought when you quoted someone else's post you WERE addressing them directly. My bad. I'm still waiting for someone to call me a Nazi, or compare me to Hitler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InyaAzz Posted September 7, 2009 Report Share Posted September 7, 2009 Ahhh, you're following the party line nicely. "BBbbbuuuuttttt Bush did it too.."If you're going to tell me that Bush had more "czars' at this point in his administration than BHO has right now you ought to come to the table with some facts that didn't happen. Maybe I could take a page out JRMiii's book and say "bullshit - if you can't prove it, it didnt happen"? The last time something "similar" to this happened (2001) my kids werent in school, and because of that I was rather disinterested. However, I never said that a "president shouldn't speak to anyone in my family". What I've said is if they want to see or hear it, its fine - no problem. But like anything else of questionable intent I want to be involved with it. Additionally, taking valuable classroom time for something like this is a waste.Of course it "serves my purpose". Obviously, your stance on the topic "serves your purpose". People talk about things that affect them on some level. Again with the bbbbbuuut bbbbbush (or whoever) did it. You seem to have that down pretty well. One more time - my disagreement with the current administration DOES NOT IMPLY THAT I APPROVED OF EVERYTHING ANY PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION DID. Oh, my bad. I thought when you quoted someone else's post you WERE addressing them directly. My bad. I'm still waiting for someone to call me a Nazi, or compare me to Hitler.You're a funny man. Did I say Obama gets a pass? Nope. Am I toting the party line? I must've missed that one. You most likely just confirmed my point..it's convenient for you to 'take a stand' with your kids now..but most likely would not have happened at any other time..considering the past President were all upstanding gentlemen and the like. Have fun with the Wiki..you can check the references on your own if it isn't good enough. Bush leads Obama:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._executive_branch_czarsAnd post #101. You were addressing me, not the other way around. Maybe you felt the shoe fit? Don't know. My statements were in a general nature..not directed towards one specific person. If you're a great parent.. I LOVE IT! We need more good parents in this world. But I still stand by my opinion that this whole ordeal smacks of people using their kids to make statements. Just wrong on more than a few levels...in my lowly opinion.Carry on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerik Posted September 7, 2009 Report Share Posted September 7, 2009 It's on the whitehouse website: (http://www.whitehouse.gov/MediaResources/PreparedSchoolRemarks/)I tried to just post it here, but it's too long to fit in a post.It's long-winded, and fairly dull, but more or less the same innocuous stuff we normally hear from politicians.Yet again, right-wingers went all ZOMG THE SKY'S FALLING COMMUNISM AND SOCIALISM AND BLACK FOLKS ARE ALL UP IN MY 'MURCA!!!!!!!And the president says, 'Stay in school.'/people Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd#43 Posted September 7, 2009 Report Share Posted September 7, 2009 You're a funny man. Did I say Obama gets a pass? Nope. Am I toting the party line? I must've missed that one. You most likely just confirmed my point..it's convenient for you to 'take a stand' with your kids now..but most likely would not have happened at any other time..considering the past President were all upstanding gentlemen and the like. Yes...your "bbbbuuuuttt bush did it" statement echoes everything that comes from the liberal left/progressive movement.And you can continue to think that my opposition to BHO = support of the Bush presidency.Certainly you're entitled to your opinion, but your thoughts as the relate to me, personally, are wrong.Have fun with the Wiki..you can check the references on your own if it isn't good enough. Bush leads Obama:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._executive_branch_czarsWow - Bush had 35 czars in 8 years, and all of those positions are not provided for in the Constitution. BHO has 32 in 8 months, and all of those positions are Unconstitutional as well. What, exactly is your point?And post #101. You were addressing me, not the other way around. Maybe you felt the shoe fit? Don't know. My statements were in a general nature..not directed towards one specific person. If you're a great parent.. I LOVE IT! We need more good parents in this world. But I still stand by my opinion that this whole ordeal smacks of people using their kids to make statements. Just wrong on more than a few levels...in my lowly opinion.Carry on.Yeah...I addressed you. Are you standing by your statement that quoting my post means you werent addressing me? Or is it a "bbbbuuuutttt he did first" kind of thing.Exactly how are "parents using their kids to make statements" in this instance? How is a parent deciding what is right and wrong for a child "wrong on so many levels"? Is is better to let the government decide?Go have another sip...you're almost there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAMBUSA Posted September 7, 2009 Report Share Posted September 7, 2009 How is a debate a failthread?Edit, rephrase:How is a political debate to enlighten the minds of the voting public a failthread?What you see as "enlighten" others see as spreading fear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd#43 Posted September 7, 2009 Report Share Posted September 7, 2009 What you see as "enlighten" others see as spreading fear.Question - who are these "others" you speak of? Seriously, quit speaking in the abstract. If you haven't been elected to represent the "others" maybe you should consider speaking for yourself? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAMBUSA Posted September 7, 2009 Report Share Posted September 7, 2009 Question - who are these "others" you speak of? Seriously, quit speaking in the abstract. If you haven't been elected to represent the "others" maybe you should consider speaking for yourself?Myself included. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd#43 Posted September 7, 2009 Report Share Posted September 7, 2009 Yet again, right-wingers went all ZOMG THE SKY'S FALLING COMMUNISM AND SOCIALISM AND BLACK FOLKS ARE ALL UP IN MY 'MURCA!!!!!!!/peopleAhhhh....the race card again.Congats! You fail too.By the way, its good that he released the speech, and I'm happy that it seems to be the typical innocuous "stay in school" message. A lot of the angst and gnashing of teeth over the last could have been avoided if this would have been done from the start.That being said, I'm still happy that my kids' schools have chosen not to air the speech = they already know the whole "do your homework, stay in school, be somebody", thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey1 Posted September 7, 2009 Report Share Posted September 7, 2009 .That being said, I'm still happy that my kids' schools have chosen not to air the speech = they already knew I would never STFU.Fixed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAMBUSA Posted September 7, 2009 Report Share Posted September 7, 2009 Fixed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd#43 Posted September 7, 2009 Report Share Posted September 7, 2009 Myself included.So then say "I am afraid"What are you afraid of? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd#43 Posted September 7, 2009 Report Share Posted September 7, 2009 Fixed I was not the only one who spoke up regarding this subject.Seriously, if I've said more than YOU thought I should have, maybe you should quit reading? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey1 Posted September 7, 2009 Report Share Posted September 7, 2009 (edited) I was not the only one who spoke up regarding this subject.Seriously, if I've said more than YOU thought I should have, maybe you should quit reading?It is too funny to watch all the attention whoring.**Edit** When I neg rep I am man enough to sign it. Here kitty.... Edited September 7, 2009 by Whitey1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerik Posted September 7, 2009 Report Share Posted September 7, 2009 Anonymously neg-repped twice? Really?Cowards.Incidentally, anyone who has met me knows I'm about as non-gangsta as you can get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd#43 Posted September 7, 2009 Report Share Posted September 7, 2009 It is too funny to watch all the attention whoring.**Edit** When I neg rep I am man enough to sign it. Here kitty....FYI, I dont often do the rep thing. When I do, I sign it.Actually throwing your two cents into a discussion without adding anything to the discussion is attention whoring.Have a nice day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd#43 Posted September 7, 2009 Report Share Posted September 7, 2009 Anonymously neg-repped twice? Really?Cowards.Incidentally, anyone who has met me knows I'm about as non-gangsta as you can get. Oh boo fucking hoo.If you have to explain the fact that you're not "gangsta", maybe you should look at how you act, and the image you project. Maybe people are getting the wrong idea about you.I'd say you're more of a race baiter, FWIW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jporter12 Posted September 7, 2009 Report Share Posted September 7, 2009 Oh boo fucking hoo.If you have to explain the fact that you're not "gangsta", maybe you should look at how you act, and the image you project. Maybe people are getting the wrong idea about you.I'd say you're more of a race baiter, FWIW.I reply with:Actually throwing your two cents into a discussion without adding anything to the discussion is attention whoring.Have a nice day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jporter12 Posted September 7, 2009 Report Share Posted September 7, 2009 Really man, give it a break! The way YOU are acting is what gives many people hatred toward the right. Not saying that I agree with the left, but you don't seem to be able to agree to disagree, and YOU are the only one that is correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disclaimer Posted September 7, 2009 Report Share Posted September 7, 2009 (edited) FYI, I dont often do the rep thing. When I do, I sign it.FYI, when he "signs" it... it won't say Todd #43, he's more cryptic than that. At least when he left me negative rep... It might've been signed 'T' or something like that - I don't remember.And here's a comic: Edited September 7, 2009 by JRMMiii Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InyaAzz Posted September 7, 2009 Report Share Posted September 7, 2009 So...."kids stay in school and do your homework" is a reason to pull the kids out of school. Got it.Anyways..it's been real. Has anyone seen any good bukkake lately? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd#43 Posted September 7, 2009 Report Share Posted September 7, 2009 Really man, give it a break! The way YOU are acting is what gives many people hatred toward the right. Not saying that I agree with the left, but you don't seem to be able to agree to disagree, and YOU are the only one that is correct.Give what a break? I'd say its obvious that I disagree. Agreed?FYI, when he "signs" it... it won't say Todd #43, he's more cryptic than that. At least when he left me negative rep... It might've been signed 'T' or something like that - I don't remember.Lately when I've given rep (positive or negative) I sign it T43. Whats so "cryptic" about that. I wasn't aware that I had to put my whole name down.Jesus...get over the whole rep thing, will ya? I get plenty of unsigned rep, who gives a shit?Amazing how people cry about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd#43 Posted September 7, 2009 Report Share Posted September 7, 2009 So...."kids stay in school and do your homework" is a reason to pull the kids out of school. Got it.Anyways..it's been real. Has anyone seen any good bukkake lately?And if he would have let everyone know that up front, we wouldn't be having this discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevysoldier Posted September 7, 2009 Report Share Posted September 7, 2009 What you see as "enlighten" others see as spreading fear.I was just saying, debating policy or a stance on something, if done correctly will "enlighten" those who are engaged in it. If by saying "enlightened" people hear "spreading fear", then maybe they should open their minds up. Look, I don't care if this thread reaches 2 billion pages. JRMiii and Todd will probably still disagree. But if they each take one thing from the other side, then it is not a waste. This is America. A melting pot. There are as many view here as there stars in the sky. But all people need to try to at least come together in a civilized manner and discuss things. If we all do stuff like we always have, like I said earlier, we would still have slaves. And that doesn't mean going off the deep end is good either.The key to the Universe is Knowledge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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