What's your thoughts on Pres. Obama speech to students?

[chevysoldier]

So, are you saying that because people don't like his policies we should just STFU and let it go because he managed to get elected?

Seriously, part of what makes this country the best place on earth to live is the fact that we don't have to agree with every person that makes it to the highest office. We are free to make our opposition known and fight for what we believe is right. Try that in China, North Korea, or Cuba - let me know how it works out for ya.

Racism is racism - it doesn't have a "reverse gear". It is what it is. Obama promised "change" and we're getting it - change for the sake of change isn't always good. Oh, and that Iraq, Afghanistan thing - don't worry about that he'll get to it sooner or later Question though - where's Cindy Sheehan now?

You make a valid point, some people just dont like him so they will find anything to make him sound unfit to be the president. BUT, it goes the other way too. How many people voted for him because he was black/mixed(reverse racism?)? Or he promised change(not what change) Or he said he would set a definite timeframe for Iraq(whether the job was finished or not).

Whoa, hold on now. I never said STFU. All I said is there are people, on both side, that just because they dont like someone they will come up with anything that fits their agenda, true or not. Back your shit up with facts and I will listen to ya and consider what you have to say(not directed to you). Yes we are free to think what we want. I know that doesnt happen in Korea,China...I never said I wanted to move there so chill.

My point is the left want to say oh your picking on Obama. Your don't like him cuz hes black. How many people voted for him solely because he is black? So its wrong to dislike him for his color, but ok to like him for his color? People say its reverse racism which I quietly disaggreed with but you missed the "?" inside the (). Not important. No different than people saying the would vote for Hillary because it's time for a female president.

I a said that he promised change(not what change,for better or worse)

And as for Iraq. He said we will pull out in xx timeframe. Then oh, well let me talk to the generals on ground and changed his mind. and again....Dont recall a timeframe for Afghanistan. But it was Iraq that was on people's minds. Maybe we went into the middle east for the wrong reasons, oil, power, money, terrorism. I DON"T KNOW. What I do know is that if we pull our troops out before the job is done and the country is stable, all those rip's sent for Moose's friend and all the other troopers lives lost will be for nothing. The job must be completed. Yeah we've lost a lotof men over there. Not a day goes by I don't regret that or the fact that my life was spared and someone else life wasn't. But for someone who say's we are gonna pull out so that the stupid Cindy Sheehan's of the world will vote for him is bull shit.Her son signed up. I was told when I went in, plan on going to war. He knew what could happen. And for her to abuse the death of her son is wrong. I made my peace with God before I went. I knew what could happen. And I would do it again.

I don't agree with 90% of what Obama is doing. IMO the country was dumb enough to elect him. But this is America, the greatest country on earth. Is approval rating is dropping as the realize he is going back on what he has said and that the color of his skin was not a good reason to vote for him.

I agree with most everything you have said in this thread Todd. But also know that neither side is 100% perfect. I agree with much more on the right than the left. But there are some things on the left I agree with. If people would get over themselves, research the facts, do as they preach and get rid of hidden agendas we would be so much better off.

and BTW, excuse the typos and grammatical error. I am on a different computer and don't care to proof-read. Carry on.

Edited September 6, 2009 by chevysoldier

[Todd#43]

Whoa, hold on now. I never said STFU. All I said is there are people, on both side, that just because they dont like someone they will come up with anything that fits their agenda, true or not. Back your shit up with facts and I will listen to ya and consider what you have to say(not directed to you). Yes we are free to think what we want. I know that doesnt happen in Korea,China...I never said I wanted to move there so chill.

Easy up big guy...I was just asking for some clarification. Wasn't busting your balls at all.

My point is the left want to say oh your picking on Obama. Your don't like him cuz hes black. How many people voted for him solely because he is black? So its wrong to dislike him for his color, but ok to like him for his color? People say its reverse racism which I quietly disaggreed with but you missed the "?" inside the (). Not important. No different than people saying the would vote for Hillary because it's time for a female president.

I a said that he promised change(not what change,for better or worse)

And as for Iraq. He said we will pull out in xx timeframe. Then oh, well let me talk to the generals on ground and changed his mind. and again....Dont recall a timeframe for Afghanistan. But it was Iraq that was on people's minds. Maybe we went into the middle east for the wrong reasons, oil, power, money, terrorism. I DON"T KNOW. What I do know is that if we pull our troops out before the job is done and the country is stable, all those rip's sent for Moose's friend and all the other troopers lives lost will be for nothing. The job must be completed. Yeah we've lost a lotof men over there. Not a day goes by I don't regret that or the fact that my life was spared and someone else life wasn't. But for someone who say's we are gonna pull out so that the stupid

I was agreeing with you there too.

Cindy Sheehan's of the world will vote for him is bull shit.Her son signed up. I was told when I went in, plan on going to war. He knew what could happen. And for her to abuse the death of her son is wrong. I made my peace with God before I went. I knew what could happen. And I would do it again.

Thanks for your service. The majority of Americans (me included) appreciate what you did. Not everyone is capable.

My point with bringing up Sheehan is where is she now? She was camped out on Bush's doorstep, wanting every soldier home, but now that BO hasn't delivered on his "promises" why isnt she camped out harassing him? Ahhh...the duplicity - you could cut it with a knife.

I don't agree with 90% of what Obama is doing. IMO the country was dumb enough to elect him. But this is America, the greatest country on earth. Is approval rating is dropping as the realize he is going back on what he has said and that the color of his skin was not a good reason to vote for him.

I can't think of ANYTHING he's done that I agree with. I'd love to hear your take on the 10% that you do agree with.

I agree with most everything you have said in this thread Todd. But also know that neither side is 100% perfect. I agree with much more on the right than the left. But there are some things on the left I agree with. If people would get over themselves, research the facts, do as they preach and get rid of hidden agendas we would be so much better off.

I appreciate your agreement, but I have to ask what "hidden agenda" are you referring to? When people use words like that it conjures up images of a "vast right wing conspiracy" in my mind. Personally, I think the agenda is very clear - a lot of people don't like what BO's doing and they are getting vocal about it. Perhaps its because that now the right is on the offensive, and its the left's turn to be defensive?

and BTW, excuse the typos and grammatical error. I am on a different computer and don't care to proof-read. Carry on.

Are the keys in different places on that keyboard?

[jporter12]

Are the keys in different places on that keyboard?

No, the backspace key must be broken?

[Whitey1]

Is this speech being aired LIVE for the rest of the world to watch along or will we get a 10 second clip on the 6 o'clock news?

[Todd#43]

Is this speech being aired LIVE for the rest of the world to watch along or will we get a 10 second clip on the 6 o'clock news?

Did you bother to read ANY of the posts, or did you just feel the need to get your two cents in?

Dont worry...the government will tell you when to listen and tune in.

[chevysoldier]

Easy up big guy...I was just asking for some clarification. Wasn't busting your balls at all.

Sorry. It's all good.

Thanks for your service. The majority of Americans (me included) appreciate what you did. Not everyone is capable.

Thank you. It just burns me up when it comes to Iraq how some people are oblivious to the whole picture.

My point with bringing up Sheehan is where is she now? She was camped out on Bush's doorstep, wanting every soldier home, but now that BO hasn't delivered on his "promises" why isnt she camped out harassing him? Ahhh...the duplicity - you could cut it with a knife.

Agreed.

I can't think of ANYTHING he's done that I agree with. I'd love to hear your take on the 10% that you do agree with.

In order to agree with 100%, I would have to be positive I know of EVERYTHING he has done. I am sure there are things he has done that I do not now of. I don't want to say I disagree with something I don't know of.

I appreciate your agreement, but I have to ask what "hidden agenda" are you referring to? When people use words like that it conjures up images of a "vast right wing conspiracy" in my mind. Personally, I think the agenda is very clear - a lot of people don't like what BO's doing and they are getting vocal about it. Perhaps its because that now the right is on the offensive, and its the left's turn to be defensive?

I'm not just referring to Obama. For example Gore hyping up global warming when in one month his house uses double the amount of electricity than that of an average household. You know there are politians out there there are secretly pursuing something that benefits them and their lobbyists. Some just don't hide it as well.

But do you know exactly what is going through their heads when they say something ? You know not too many, if any, are totally honest when they tell you why they said what they said (includes voting also)

Are the keys in different places on that keyboard?

It's still a qwerty keyboard but it is set up a little differently and a different size and I was also engaged in conversation with visiting family so only half of my attention was devoted to the thread.

[chevysoldier]

No, the backspace key must be broken?

Hardy Har Har. Glad you could contribute something of interest to this thread. Just messing.

[jporter12]

It's still a qwerty keyboard but it is set up a little differently and a different size and I was also engaged in conversation with visiting family so only half of my attention was devoted to the thread.

Wow! Half? That's a lot of attention for youto be using! lol

My wife read this thread, and she said she understands why I had a headache yesterday! LOL It was actually a sinus headache, but it was funny.

The more I think about the topic, the more it wouldn't bother me to have my kid watching this. I only have one (stepson) in school, and he's only first grade, so the damage control at home if he were to watch it, and there be anything in there that we disagree with would be minimal.

Really, I think it's a good idea for the president to encourage the students, making a speech that's directed to them. When I was in school, I felt SO disconnected from the adult world, even in high school. As long the president keeps it to encouragement, and away from political, all will be fine.

Lastly, you and I don't have to like the president, but we need to respect the office of the president.

[Whitey1]

Did you bother to read ANY of the posts, or did you just feel the need to get your two cents in?

Dont worry...the government will tell you when to listen and tune in.

Fuck you, fuck you very much.

[Todd#43]

Really, I think it's a good idea for the president to encourage the students, making a speech that's directed to them. When I was in school, I felt SO disconnected from the adult world, even in high school. As long the president keeps it to encouragement, and away from political, all will be fine.

Perhaps now with all the discussion he WILL keep the speech "on topic". Prior to the flap, I would say all bets are off. As far as I'm concerned you never know what's going to come out of his mouth - I mean teleprompter - next.

Lastly, you and I don't have to like the president, but we need to respect the office of the president.

Bahahahahahahahahahahahahah......

I do respect the office of President, but the man - no way. I'll start respecting the president when he starts respecting the true spirit of the constitution. Until then, I'll just put up with him until he's gone. If polls and public opinion mean anything that won't be much longer.

[InyaAzz]

If I don't like his policies, or the people that surround him, that means I dont like him - as a person? Seriously? I don't know the man - he may be a great guy, but what he's doing to the country is WRONG.

That's the problem - no one knows what the speech is about. We've already shown that the Reagan and Bush situations were different and that plenty of people had problems with them.

The birth certificate thing? Yeah, I've seen it. It really looks like one from the 60's - its even all computerized and stuff

Lets see...firing the CEO of a company, then taking over that company and giving half of it to the unions, a self avowed communist and radical as a top adviser, single payer private option for health care...that ought to cover the things that he's "truly fucking up" and definitely shows a socialist/marxist/maoist tendency that the gov't knows whats best.

I think I have a pretty good grip - and your leash ought to be a little bit shorter.

And what exactly does any of this have to do with a speech to school kids? If you can't parent your kids enough that you're afraid that bad ol Obama is going to corrupt them with his words, you FAIL as a parent and you have bigger things to worry about. People, stop using your kids to make political statements.

You don't like him or his policies? Cool. But people are in a tizzy because of what they THINK he's going to say and want to pull their kids out of school? Give me a fucking break.

If your child listens to Obama's speech and you're worried it's going to 'taint' them, you're fucked up in the head. Seriously. Left..Right.,..whatever.

[ChickOn2]

<sad face> at the tacit racism in this thread, and coming from the YT community overall.. "I ain't racist!! but.... I don't like "that guy". That guy? You mean... the President of United States? Why?

And pulling kids out of school... really? wow. Are any of you are old enough to have kids in school when W did the SAME THING right after Labor Day in 2001? VCR tapes were issued to schools from the White House. Did I think he stole that election? yeppers. Did I think he is a 'C' student who can barely string together a coherent sentence? Oh yeah. Did the worst tragedy in American History, on American soil, happen on his watch? You betcha! © Sarah Palin

Did I (or would I) pull my kids out of school and away from their education because they put his dopey face on TVs in classrooms? absolutely not. That would be DUMB. The difference is, I don't like him, but I don't FEAR him. I'm not (deep down inside) threatened by him. I'm not afraid of some ridiculous "revolution" of old, nerdy white guys. Dubya's presidency didn't represent, to me, any kind of loss of control that I have always taken for granted.

Teachable moment:

TACIT = "Unspoken, but understood."

No.. you didn't SAY you were a racist (good for you). But uhm.. your actions, your opinions (aka your list of excuses), your activities, your circle of friends and associations... all paint a very different picture.

That is all.

[Todd#43]

And what exactly does any of this have to do with a speech to school kids? If you can't parent your kids enough that you're afraid that bad ol Obama is going to corrupt them with his words, you FAIL as a parent and you have bigger things to worry about. People, stop using your kids to make political statements.

Oh yeah...I forgot. Trampling the constitution at every turn doesnt have anything to do with any thing. Personally, what you think of me as a parent will have no effect on how I raise them. Yeah, you're THAT unimportant.

You don't like him or his policies? Cool. But people are in a tizzy because of what they THINK he's going to say and want to pull their kids out of school? Give me a fucking break.

If your child listens to Obama's speech and you're worried it's going to 'taint' them, you're fucked up in the head. Seriously. Left..Right.,..whatever.

You're right. I don't like him, or his policies, and I choose not to expose my kids to it. And guess what? I don't have to do anything special about it. I'm fortunate enough to live in a school district that has chosen not to waste valuable classroom time by airing the speech.

Its a win-win for everybody.

<sad face> at the tacit racism in this thread, and coming from the YT community overall.. "I ain't racist!! but.... I don't like "that guy". That guy? You mean... the President of United States? Why?

I've been waiting for someone to throw down the race card in this. When you run out of coherent arguments, or facts, its always best to play the victim, isnt it? I guess i can now add you to the list of semi-famous people that have recently blamed their misfortunes and failures on race - David Patterson, Charlie Rangle, ChickOn2.

It's bullshit. Get over it. Read the constitution. Learn about our system of government. See how the liberal wing of the democrat party is trampling all over the principles this country was started on. When you've digested all of that, then come back and tell me its about the color of his skin. Last time I checked, he's half white anyway.

And pulling kids out of school... really? wow. Are any of you are old enough to have kids in school when W did the SAME THING right after Labor Day in 2001? VCR tapes were issued to schools from the White House. Did I think he stole that election? yeppers. Did I think he is a 'C' student who can barely string together a coherent sentence? Oh yeah. Did the worst tragedy in American History, on American soil, happen on his watch? You betcha! © Sarah Palin

Yeah, I'm old enough to remember. I've already explained the differences between that (and other situations) and this particular example. I'll not waste the bandwidth rehashing all of that.

The biggest tragedy on American soil? Are you old enough to remember who was in the White House during the attack on the Cole, or the first WTC bombing and did NOTHING about it? I'm guessing he might have been too disctacted by the fat chick slobbering all over his cock to do anything about it.

I'm not afraid of some ridiculous "revolution" of old, nerdy white guys.

And I suppose THAT statement isn't racist at all, right?

Am to infer that you now feel "represented" by the current administration? If so, is it because he's (half) black, or because he'd wipe his ass with the constitution if he thought he could get away with it? Here's a hint - one choice makes you a racist, the other a socialist, or communist - whichever you prefer.

Teachable moment:

TACIT = "Unspoken, but understood."

No.. you didn't SAY you were a racist (good for you). But uhm.. your actions, your opinions (aka your list of excuses), your activities, your circle of friends and associations... all paint a very different picture. That is all.

Ever heard of "Godwin's Law"? Google it. Maybe you could have your own "teachable moment" all in the comfort of your home? See if the concept applies here. I'll give you another hint - swap "Hitler" for "race card".

Racist...that's a good one.

[SAMBUSA]

[ChickOn2]

See how the liberal wing of the democrat party is trampling all over the principles this country was started on.

Been searching high and low for all these Constitutional tramplements (iMade up a word! hee hee hahah) that our President and the whole left has been accused of. Is he (or are we) curtailing freedom of speech..? religion...? the raht to BARE ARMS? ©Larry the Cable Guy Since when has a liberal worked to curtail anyone's right to do anything? That's on the average conservative's to-do list.

Still spells F-E-A-R and excuses to me. Tacit, tacit, tacit. When will y'all just man up and say what the real problem is. I can *almost* respect that more. **cough not really cough**

[chevysoldier]

Been searching high and low for all these Constitutional tramplements (iMade up a word! hee hee hahah) that our President and the whole left has been accused of.

See "Pay Czar"

"Webster’s Third New International Dictionary defines it thusly: “1. An emperor or king having absolute authority, specifically: the ruler of Russia before the 1917 revolution. 2. One having great power or absolute authority: dictator.”"

[ChickOn2]

See "Pay Czar"

"Webster’s Third New International Dictionary defines it thusly: “1. An emperor or king having absolute authority, specifically: the ruler of Russia before the 1917 revolution. 2. One having great power or absolute authority: dictator.”"

OK, so you as a (I'm assuming) conservative taxpayer, think that corporations who received federal bailout funds (from BUSH) should not have to answer to anyone on the federal level?

If so... knock yourself out, but I gotta disagree with you there, buddy. How is it unconstitutional to hold these guys responsible for running thier companies into the ground, and then giving themselves $multi-millions$ worth of bonuses out of federal money? Me no get that.

[chevysoldier]

OK, so you as a (I'm assuming) conservative taxpayer, think that corporations who received federal bailout funds (from BUSH) should not have to answer to anyone on the federal level?

If so... knock yourself out, but I gotta disagree with you there, buddy. How is it unconstitutional to hold these guys responsible for running thier companies into the ground, and then giving themselves $multi-millions$ worth of bonuses out of federal money? Me no get that.

Conservative, yes. Doesn't mean I agreed with everything Bush did. Don't assume, it's not nice. If they cannot manage money given to them, then they should not be in business anymore. Then the next guy moves in and hopefully does better.

"If too many cooks ruin the soup, what do too many czars ruin? To date, Barack Obama has appointed at least 28 czars, people whose sole function is to integrate industry and government through regulation. The following list of czars was compiled by PolitiFact.com:

1. Herb Allison-TARP Czar

2. Alan Bersin-Border Czar

3. Dennis Blair-Intelligence Czar

4. John Brennan-Terrorism Czar

5. Carol Browner-Energy Czar

6. Adolfo Carrion, Jr-Urban Affairs Czar

7. Ashton Carter-Weapons Czar

8. Aneesh Chopra-Technology Czar

9. Jeffrey Crowley-AIDS Czar

10. Cameron Davis-Great Lakes Czar

11. Nancy-Ann DeParle-Health Czar

12. Earl Devaney-Stimulus Accountability Czar

13. Joshua DuBois-Faith-based Czar

14. Kenneth Feinberg-Pay Czar

15. Danny Fried-Guantanamo Closure Czar

16. J. Scott Gration-Sudan Czar

17. Richard Holbrooke-Afghanistan Czar

18. John Holdren-Science Czar

19. Van Jones Green-Jobs Czar

20. Gil Kerlikowske-Drug Czar

21. Vivek Kundra-Information Czar

22. George Mitchell-Mideast Peace Czar

23. Ed Montgomery-Car Czar

24. Dennis Ross-Mideast Policy Czar

25. Gary Samore-WMD Czar

26. Todd Stern-Climate Czar

27. Cass Sunstein-Regulatory Czar

28. Paul Volcker-Economic Czar

Now, all of this would be laughable, were it not for the power of these individuals with strong loyalties to the Administration. These people are accountable to no one, able to make policy that affects the lives of ordinary citizens, and collect huge salaries compliments of the taxpayer. On second thought, maybe there should be one more czar–the Gone Too Far Czar."

[Todd#43]

Been searching high and low for all these Constitutional tramplements (iMade up a word! hee hee hahah) that our President and the whole left has been accused of. Is he (or are we) curtailing freedom of speech..? religion...? the raht to BARE ARMS? ©Larry the Cable Guy Since when has a liberal worked to curtail anyone's right to do anything? That's on the average conservative's to-do list.

Keep in mind that the Constitution is more than the First and Second Amendments:

1. Van Jones (or any of the other "czars" in the administration)
   
2. The "Public Option" in the Health Care Plan
   
3. He fired the CEO of a Company (GM)
   
4. He took over a company (GM) and gave half of it to a labor Union (UAW)
   
5. Allowing former Gitmo prisoners (enemy combatants) to sue.
   
6. Keeping lists of private citizens who were critical of his policies.
   

We wont get into any of the other "liberal" limits that have been placed on our freedoms. That should keep you busy for a bit.

Still spells F-E-A-R and excuses to me. Tacit, tacit, tacit. When will y'all just man up and say what the real problem is. I can *almost* respect that more. **cough not really cough**

You know, you're a lot like JRMiii. You duck the issues brought up by others and refuse to answer any questions. I can tell by your response that you haven't bothered to take a look at Godwin's Law, you really should - you might learn something. Of course, I'm an old white guy - what would I know,right? Honestly, your cry of 'racism' says way more about you than it does about me. Say it loud, say it over and over and over - maybe they wont notice that you cant refute an argument with facts or reason.

[SAMBUSA]

Failthread..............or is it Fearthread?

[Todd#43]

On second thought, maybe there should be one more czar–the Gone Too Far Czar."

I hear Charles Manson is up for that one....

[chevysoldier]

I hear Charles Manson is up for that one....

[chevysoldier]

Failthread..............or is it Fearthread?

How is a debate a failthread?

Edit, rephrase:

How is a political debate to enlighten the minds of the voting public a failthread?

[ChickOn2]

I dunno, punkins. I guess I'm just Ray Charles blind to why it's unconstitutional for the POTUS to appoint people to appointable jobs as he sees fit.

It was perfectly fine for W, who made plenty of appointments. He managed to make 2 appointments to federal courts back in... '03 or '04 I think, by bypassing the Senate altogther, even though the constitution says Senate approval is required for federal courts. And what about the appointments he slid in in January of 09? Mostly his friends and rich guys (and a NASCAR driver LOL) who made big donations? And of course he appointed Brownie as the Czar of FEMA... and I suppose you're going to say he did a GREAT job lolol

[ChickOn2]

How is a political debate to enlighten the minds of the voting public a failthread?

I agree, I don't mind a little back-and-forth. On the boards... and elsewhere;)

Anyways.. since I'm a liberal, it goes with the territory to defend anyone's right to feel a dumb way about things, even if I disagree. this is Amurricah, after all:p

(DON'T you dare flame me for that 'dumb way' comment! I'm KIDDING! You big babies... all sensitive n shyt :lol)