420gsxr1000 Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 i always overfill mine because i ride wheelies alot and still run it hard in the twisties and on the track and have never had a problem on any of my bikes , i wouldnt worry bout drainin it but thats just meyea i over fill too for wheelies....sorry Liz but having oil is better than not stressing rotating engine parts.......and yea, that seems like almost NO oil....2.2 WOW!!!!!!i thought my 1000 gixx was 3200 or 3600 ml'seither way, put in what they say, run it hot, let set, check sight glass....all is well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moto-Brian Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 yea i over fill too for wheelies....sorry Liz but having oil is better than not stressing rotating engine parts.......and yea, that seems like almost NO oil....2.2 WOW!!!!!!i thought my 1000 gixx was 3200 or 3600 ml'seither way, put in what they say, run it hot, let set, check sight glass....all is well I don't know anything about filling it for wheelies. However, the idea is that too much oil causes too much stress to spin through that extra oil. Think trying to run on land and then trying to run in water... Takes more effort, right?That more effort causes stress on engine components - especially the crank and rods. We have seen guys blow motors (actually a staff memeber's 750) due to hydro lock. What happened is that the motor stressed a rod from too much energy needed to be spinnign the motor with WAY too much oil. The rods stressed and broke when running at high RPMs on the track.Now, again, I can't comment on oil for wheelies as it makes sense since when up in the wheelie position, it is sending the oil back and starving (possibly) the crank. More oil allows it to be where it needs to, but again, my feelings are that you are more on two wheels than on one. Maybe not for some of you guys, but in the case of Dub, I think he'd need to be where it should be.Now, obviously... you may never hydro lock your motor and you may never have it stress a rod or cause issue with your crank. BUT, it can happen and when it does, it costs a LOT of money...Simply food for thought, guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V4junkie Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 1) It's a "racebike", whoolies are probably not the goal here2) The chances are pretty good it will be sold before it gets ridden with the new oil. Sorry, had to say it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidgetTodd Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 Now, again, I can't comment on oil for wheelies as it makes sense since when up in the wheelie position, it is sending the oil back and starving (possibly) the crank. More oil allows it to be where it needs tothat exactly what it is I grennaded a motor in my 900rr from no oil and it was full of oil but was full to the full line and when wheeliein it would lose pressure my motor guy told me 3/4 over full will keep in the oil pump pickup been doing it ever since and no probs . does not mean a prob isnt comming Ive just not had one since Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisknight Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 Some manuals will give you 2 different levels. One for changing oil and one for changing oil AND the filter. Also, make sure your bike is up level (off of the kick stand) while checking the window....er something... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 as long as its between the two lines, IMO its fine.how much oil do you think you put in total? if it calls for 2.2 and you put in 2.4, thats really not that big of a deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixxie750 Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 I fill mine till i see just a buble at the top of the window. I am no motor guy,but i use good oil...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likwid Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 Some manuals will give you 2 different levels. One for changing oil and one for changing oil AND the filter. Also, make sure your bike is up level (off of the kick stand) while checking the window....er something...+1Mine actually gives 3. Oil, Oil and Filter, Completely Dry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modern Synthetics Posted September 16, 2009 Report Share Posted September 16, 2009 I think you could have some faulty oil causing incorrect readings. I recommend you drain the oil, remove the filter and replace both with Amsoil products. Problem solved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AOW Posted September 16, 2009 Report Share Posted September 16, 2009 don't pull the plug completely, just unscrew it enough to where oil starts to flow out in a steady stream. Doesn't have to be a gushing stream, and just be patient. When I thought I over filled my bike, I used a marked empty peanut butter jar to drain out 1/2 qt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dubguy85 Posted September 16, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 16, 2009 Thanks guys...I've been out of town for work, but will work on it tomorrow...I might try a few techniques! And for the douchebag that gave me neg rep for calling it a "racebike" and not a trackbike, IS in fact a douchebag! That is all! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsxr750girl Posted September 16, 2009 Report Share Posted September 16, 2009 Can't you just break the filter loose and drain some oil from there?+1 when changing mine I put a little too much in...so I took the filter out and drained the filter and put it back on! worked like a charm! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
420gsxr1000 Posted September 16, 2009 Report Share Posted September 16, 2009 I think you could have some faulty oil causing incorrect readings. I recommend you drain the oil, remove the filter and replace both with Amsoil products. Problem solved. lmao lmao!!! nice one!!!!!I don't know anything about filling it for wheelies. However, the idea is that too much oil causes too much stress to spin through that extra oil. Think trying to run on land and then trying to run in water... Takes more effort, right?That more effort causes stress on engine components - especially the crank and rods. We have seen guys blow motors (actually a staff memeber's 750) due to hydro lock. What happened is that the motor stressed a rod from too much energy needed to be spinnign the motor with WAY too much oil. The rods stressed and broke when running at high RPMs on the track.Now, again, I can't comment on oil for wheelies as it makes sense since when up in the wheelie position, it is sending the oil back and starving (possibly) the crank. More oil allows it to be where it needs to, but again, my feelings are that you are more on two wheels than on one. Maybe not for some of you guys, but in the case of Dub, I think he'd need to be where it should be.Now, obviously... you may never hydro lock your motor and you may never have it stress a rod or cause issue with your crank. BUT, it can happen and when it does, it costs a LOT of money...Simply food for thought, guys.lol, no i DO understand what you are saying and you are correct. the advise i was giving was for more whoolies than level riding. So that said, he should probably run 2 levels depending on what hes doin. The gixxers (around 03 to 04 and surrounding)have an aftermarket oil pickup JUST for wheelies. If not they run dry. The pickup relocates the opening towards the back of the bike, BUT get on the brakes hard and all the oil goes forward and the motor starves for a sec (light will come on!!!). Its a cheap fix IF and ONLY IF you are constantly doing wheelies. I actually in my 04 gixx 1000 just ran about a quart over or almost a quart. Not enought to hydrolock, probably got a bit bubbly from the crank but i had the stock oil pickup and heard WAY WAY too many gixx stories about oil starvation. The shape of the pan attributed also to this hooligan problem lol I believe that the newer gixxes have a more square shape as opposed the the "funnel" shape like mine, i dont know where the pickup is at. But im sure the different pan would help in he newer ones.thats the gixx wheelie lesson i think the pickup was made by "stunt-ex" or some shit like thathttp://www.stuntersstore.com/stsugsoilpi.htmlthere it is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
420gsxr1000 Posted September 16, 2009 Report Share Posted September 16, 2009 i always overfill mine because i ride wheelies alot and still run it hard in the twisties and on the track and have never had a problem on any of my bikes , i wouldnt worry bout drainin it but thats just metheres the wheelie comment.....i thought the original poster said...this maybe a tread jack........ SORRY!!!yea....only overfill IF AND ONLY IF you are always doin wheelies. I used the gixx as a "street/stunter" so it was 50/50 for level riding with about 1 quart over.....bike still runs great....surprises even me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhaag Posted September 16, 2009 Report Share Posted September 16, 2009 Stressing the rods, crank, and such due to the amount of oil it has to spin through is never good...more on that...i'm not sure that overfilling would have that sudden of an effect. i would think you would have premature engine bearing wear, very long term, and you would experience some power loss from the drag, which should warn you that something is wrong. besides the fact that pretty much every engine has some sort of windage tray and SS motos also have a basic design of a crank scraper. this would greatly help reduce the effect of oil drag......why they're there, actually. not saying you're wrong, just never heard of that situation, myself. however, grossly overfilling a crankcase (on any engine) would allow the crankshaft to whip, or airate the oil; thereby, making it very difficult for the pump to draw and wouldnt take long, at all. this would give greatly reduced oil pressure, much like running with no oil, and cause bearings to seize. especially difficult to detect if you use synthetic oil due to its superior lubricating properties. also, i think this would happen several minutes before the engine would produce excessive crankcase pressure, due to the lessened air volume, and cause excessive blow-by into the air box. in this case, it would look like you were running a two stroke. also, the engine would, likely, blow any number of seals (crank - either end, output shaft, clutch rod shaft, etc) which would cause a pretty good leak. so, all that being said, i wouldnt hesitate to say that as long as it isnt above the sight glass you're probably ok, and anyone feel free to do your own research, the above is from my personal experience. but, i'm not an expert, nor am i properly insured to give such advice. that's why it was free! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dubguy85 Posted September 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 Well...I finally got a chance to try something...I just loosened the drain plug all the way out and just kept holding it up there, and almost threaded, and tilted it, and drained like 2 milliliters or something very small, but made it perfect in the window! I feel much better about things now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madcat6183 Posted September 19, 2009 Report Share Posted September 19, 2009 Side note, dont forget when changing oil to put some in the filter, as well as the fill cap. That way there are no bubbles of air through the system and it runs oil to oil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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