SWing'R Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 I've been mentioning that there have been lots of riders killed in NE Ohio this season. I'm originally from Lorain so I tend to read the Morning Jounral online a couple times a week to see whats going on up that way.Well I've been invoved in some arguments with other readers on the MorningJournal.com story forums regarding motocycle accidents, and while digging thru old stories to get an idea of whats going on up there I found an interesting trend in the accidents.I found stories on 20 reported accidents from April to September that include both deaths and injuries, check this out...Cruisers: 11Sportbike: 1Scooter: 1Unconfirmed or unknown: 7Based on ages and whether or not they were wearing helmets, one can make a pretty good assumption that most of or all of the unconfirmed 7 were also cruisers.So much for sportbikers being the dangerous ones on the road Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likwid Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 (edited) Sorry bro but you're trying to argue that ice cream causes drowning.Causation versus correlation, you have to take into account the large difference in samples, there are more cruisers on the road than anything else.I'd suggest you read this:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misuse_of_statisticshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causality Edited September 15, 2009 by Likwid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fazerlady Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 I agree... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWing'R Posted September 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 ...you have to take into account the large difference in samples, there are more cruisers on the road than anything else.I don't doubt that, just think its interesting, cause some Harley guy was giving me shit about some of my posts regarding riding styles and speed and such, so I thought I'd dig thru the stories to see what types of bikes were involved in the accidents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4DAIVI PAI2K5 Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 most motorcycle related deaths in coshocton are cruiser it seems Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likwid Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 Here's another great example As you can plainly see, the less we import lemons from Mexico the safer we'll be! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4DAIVI PAI2K5 Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 ^^^^ haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likwid Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 I'm passionate about this because I see data used incorrectly all the time. "We need to modify X because Y is in the data" because of it people end up making poor decisions because of a data anomaly. This correlation vs causation is the same way people argue gun laws. "Most violent crimes involve a firearm, therefore if you ban firearms violent crimes will go down"Violent Crimes and Firearms are correlated, not caused. A cruiser does not CAUSE a motorcycle more likely to crash, a firearm does not CAUSE a person to become criminal, a pencil does not CAUSE spelling errors, and importing lemons doesn't CAUSE traffic fatalities.YAY! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disclaimer Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 Sorry bro but you're trying to argue that ice cream causes drowning.I probably shouldn't have bought that pint of Ben and Jerry's "Drowning in Vanilla" . My freezer is a dangerous place... especially if you look behind the dead hookers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likwid Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 I probably shouldn't have bought that pint of Ben and Jerry's "Drowning in Vanilla" . My freezer is a dangerous place... especially if you look behind the dead hookers.I like my women like I like my coffee, ground up and in the freezer! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likwid Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 I will have to admit David, I spend a LOT of my time trying to get people to do things because of things I prove or believe....My wife is a statistician and I'm in marketing... she hates what I do, and I hate what she does. She gets SO mad because she knows there was some data manipulation in SOMETHING, I usually argue that if we did everything according to the pure analysis nothing would get done, and she argues the other side of it.It's quite funny, I know if I say "all statistics are made up anyway" she'll storm off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AOW Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 if you're going to post stuff like this, then bring all the info. What percentage had alcohol and or drugs involved?What percentage were <25yrs old...Or more importantly, fuck that HD guy on this forum giving you shit. He don't pay your bills, you don't pay his, so why give a shit what he thinks of you, your ride, or your riding style. This ain't high school Bueller Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disclaimer Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 Or more importantly, fuck that HD guy on this forum giving you shit. He don't pay your bills, you don't pay his, so why give a shit what he thinks of you, your ride, or your riding style. This ain't high school Bueller+1, that HD asshat probably doesn't even live in Ohio anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giantxtc Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 I like my women like I like my coffee, ground up and in the freezer!Nice, now i am curious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWing'R Posted September 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 if you're going to post stuff like this, then bring all the info. What percentage had alcohol and or drugs involved?What percentage were <25yrs old...Or more importantly, fuck that HD guy on this forum giving you shit. He don't pay your bills, you don't pay his, so why give a shit what he thinks of you, your ride, or your riding style. This ain't high school BuellerI know, I shouldn't let the guy get under my skin but I did. I could dig up all the info regarding each crash but I don't wanna waste that much time. I believe in most or all of the cruiser accidents the rider was over 25 and in probably 90% of the cruiser accidents the rider and/or passenger were not wearing helmets and I can only remember one crash invoving alcohol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balaormiga Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 I'm passionate about this because I see data used incorrectly all the time. "We need to modify X because Y is in the data" because of it people end up making poor decisions because of a data anomaly. This correlation vs causation is the same way people argue gun laws. "Most violent crimes involve a firearm, therefore if you ban firearms violent crimes will go down"Violent Crimes and Firearms are correlated, not caused. A cruiser does not CAUSE a motorcycle more likely to crash, a firearm does not CAUSE a person to become criminal, a pencil does not CAUSE spelling errors, and importing lemons doesn't CAUSE traffic fatalities.YAY!I agree with Likwid. Pharmaceutical companies incorrectly use data to substantiate the use of drugs such as statins etc. High Cholesterol = Heart DiseaseStatins reduce deaths etc. All based on improper use of data that sadly, even most physicians can't understand.Though I did read a Highway safety report discussing accidents etc. in the U.S that indicated there were more accidents involving cruisers than sport bikes in the absolute. I never took the time to determine %'s etc. That is number of cruisers vs. sport bikes on the street.. There was some discussion on what classifies a bike as a cruiser vs. a standard etc.You really have to look closely at data - it can be easily manipulated intentionally or otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWing'R Posted September 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 You really have to look closely at data - it can be easily manipulated intentionally or otherwise.And thats exactly why I dug it up from the stories, I planned on eventually throwing the numbers back at the Harley guy giving me shit, for now I'm just sitting on the info, waiting for him to take another e-jab at me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buildit Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 Any data can be manipulated to show what ever you want. But several things are very clear to me in what I've seen while riding. 1. Not wearing gear will increase you chance of dying or being seriously injured in an accident and most cruiser riders don't wear proper gear. 2. Driving in more populated areas with greater traffic increases you chance of being hit by another driver no matter who is at fault. 3. Exceeding your abilities while riding on the road or in the dirt increases your chance of having an accident. So given these factors ATGATT, riding within your abilities and staying away from busy roads decreases your chances of being hurt or killed on a motorcycle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cdubyah Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 I do believe it was Colonel Mustard in the Library with the revolver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balaormiga Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 Any data can be manipulated to show what ever you want. But several things are very clear to me in what I've seen while riding. 1. Not wearing gear will increase you chance of dying or being seriously injured in an accident and most cruiser riders don't wear proper gear. 2. Driving in more populated areas with greater traffic increases you chance of being hit by another driver no matter who is at fault. 3. Exceeding your abilities while riding on the road or in the dirt increases your chance of having an accident. So given these factors ATGATT, riding within your abilities and staying away from busy roads decreases your chances of being hurt or killed on a motorcycle.Agreed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmagicglock Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 Here's another great example As you can plainly see, the less we import lemons from Mexico the safer we'll be!lemons also cure scurvy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonik Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 (edited) Here's another great example As you can plainly see, the less we import lemons from Mexico the safer we'll be!Actually, It says the more we import lemons from Mexico the safer we will be. The fatality rate is going down as the tonnage goes up. Good thing you are in marketing and not statistics! Edited September 15, 2009 by Tonik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buildit Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 Actually, It says the more we import lemons from Mexico the safer we will be. The fatality rate is going down as the tonnage goes up.Would this fall under the Ohio lemon law? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonik Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 Would this fall under the Ohio lemon law? Not sure but this development certainly sours the spirit of the thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disclaimer Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 I see what ya'll did there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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