kreator Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 For the record we have a sport bike rider against use of the front brake:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cdubyah Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 For you young'uns, bikes didn't always have multi-piston caliper disc brakes. Drum brakes frequently sucked & when they got wet, they REALLY sucked.Yep still suck when wet, on my truck tho. Locks the tires right up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey1 Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 Keep in mind a big harley has twice the weight of a sportbike, and half the tire contact patch most of the time. I also doubt that many HD riders are running sticky tires to help them hook up better. In a situation where a crash is unavoidable on a big pig I would rather lay it down and get a chance to kick away from the bike and slow MY impact. However I ride a dual-sport so I just slip the clutch and wheelie over shit now. =) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kahooli Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 Keep in mind a big harley has twice the weight of a sportbike, and half the tire contact patch most of the time. I also doubt that many HD riders are running sticky tires to help them hook up better. In a situation where a crash is unavoidable on a big pig I would rather lay it down and get a chance to kick away from the bike and slow MY impact. However I ride a dual-sport so I just slip the clutch and wheelie over shit now. =)rep for jumping obstacles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Punk Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 Keep in mind a big harley has twice the weight of a sportbike, and half the tire contact patch most of the time. I also doubt that many HD riders are running sticky tires to help them hook up better. In a situation where a crash is unavoidable on a big pig I would rather lay it down and get a chance to kick away from the bike and slow MY impact. However I ride a dual-sport so I just slip the clutch and wheelie over shit now. =)This is probably the most desired method, I wish I could learn how to bring the front wheel up. I don't understand why these cruiser guys are having to make such a decision aren't their loud pipes working? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coyote Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 Just another thought. Could all of this have been started back in the days of DRUM brakes (front & rear)? Compared to current disc brakes, it might have actually been faster to dump the bike than to depend on the crappy brakes.For you young'uns, bikes didn't always have multi-piston caliper disc brakes. Drum brakes frequently sucked & when they got wet, they REALLY sucked.I used to ride /5's back in the day, and never did self-preservation instincts compel me to dump the bike rather than grab as much drum brake as possible while trying to maintain some semblance of control and remain upright. Of course, that’s just me…And old Beemers aren’t as heavy (and fast?) as a big HD cruiser. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likwid Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 I have drum brakes on the back of my bike... they work fine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSVDon Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 I don't use my rear brake. I have my reasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likwid Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 I don't use my rear brake. I have my reasons.Because I cut the lines earlier this year? I thought you had that fixed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cdubyah Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 I don't understand why these cruiser guys are having to make such a decision aren't their loud pipes working?Loud pipes, baffled pipes no difference. Stupid people still aren't on the lookout for bikes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likwid Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 This is probably the most desired method, I wish I could learn how to bring the front wheel up. I don't understand why these cruiser guys are having to make such a decision aren't their loud pipes working?WHAT?!?No really, speak up, I can't hear you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Punk Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 no difference.That would make a really good point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
everoblivion2005 Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 I haven't seen any proof that a little tire offers more drag than chrome does. You guys obviously don't understand surface area.i hope that was sarcastic, the coefficient of friction between two hard, mostly smooth surfaces is almost nothing compared to the one between a malleable material like rubber. i don't care how small the surface area is, the front brake, when applied, will cause the front wheel to take on the weight properties of a large percentage of the entire bike.In conclusion its physics, cruisers suck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschoolsdime92 Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 my msf instructor said that " if you are in control of your motorcycle, you should never have to "intentionally" lay your motorcycle down" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disclaimer Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 I've had to lay a bike down before. The #1 rod snapped. Half a rod with piston attached came through the block, hitting me in the leg and spewing really fucking hot oil all over my leg and the asphalt. Bike was sliding everywhere. I was going down. Had two choices, down on pavement or down in grassy ditch. I chose grassy ditch.my msf instructor said that " if you are in control of your motorcycle, you should never have to "intentionally" lay your motorcycle down"Yea Casper, you didn't read the f*(king memo on that did you? A real man would've rode that shit out side-saddle if necessary. I would totally 'intentionally' lay my bike down for a number of reasons - all self-preservation based, not "too slow down quicker"-based Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max power Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 my msf instructor said that " if you are in control of your motorcycle, you should never have to "intentionally" lay your motorcycle down"Seems like common sense to me, I'd still rather lay it down than hit someone head on.think he survived? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coyote Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 Purely inferential, but taking into account the sheer speed/momentum needed to imbed a bike into whatever that was—I am guessing that the decision as to whether to brake or to bail probably didn’t even have enough time to make to the major muscle groups before impact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max power Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 Just proving a point. I wouldnt want to hit a car. I'll take my chances on the pavement given the time to make said choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RFM Posted November 4, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 How far does a person need to go from applying the rear brake, to skidding, to transitioning to the ground, to sliding. At 55mph. 20 feet? And that still has a good amount of forward motion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'03VstarSH Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 Purely inferential, but taking into account the sheer speed/momentum needed to imbed a bike into whatever that was—I am guessing that the decision as to whether to brake or to bail probably didn’t even have enough time to make to the major muscle groups before impact.I started out reading that as "Purely inferential, but taking into account the sheep speed/momentum needed to imbed..." before I had to reread it again. This board corrupts the mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max power Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 I started out reading that as "Purely inferential' date=' but taking into account the sheep speed/momentum needed to imbed..." before I had to reread it again. This board corrupts the mind. [/quote']You gots sheep on the brain. WOOL FEVER!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alab32 Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 I would totally 'intentionally' lay my bike down for a number of reasons - all self-preservation based, not "too slow down quicker"-based+1!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coyote Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 I started out reading that as "Purely inferential' date=' but taking into account the sheep speed/momentum needed to imbed..." before I had to reread it again. This board corrupts the mind. [/quote']You know, if you drop the back legs into your Wellies/muck boots it takes the sheep speed out of the equation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max power Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 I would totally 'intentionally' lay my bike down for a number of reasons - all self-preservation based, not "too slow down quicker"-based Exactly what I'm saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magley64 Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 i hope that was sarcastic, the coefficient of friction between two hard, mostly smooth surfaces is almost nothing compared to the one between a malleable material like rubber. i don't care how small the surface area is, the front brake, when applied, will cause the front wheel to take on the weight properties of a large percentage of the entire bike.In conclusion its physics, cruisers suck.that was satire, i made the same mistake... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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