what brake line

[wht_scorpion]

Im looking to pick up some brake lines soon which ones are good

OEM

Venhill

Galfer

Hel

[Meanie]

I think I am going to try the Goodridge brake lines when I do mine. They have gotten good reviews from what I have read.

[Earache]

Get ya some Speigler lines. - they have the cool swivel bajo bolts on them to make installs a snap. They don't twiust around like all of the others do either.

Lines are line - not a big difference in them at all.

And they're assembled in Ohio (Dayton).

[TwiztedRabbit]

i had Galfer on my old CBR600rr I loved em... now i just put some Galfer's on my R6 have yet to use em.. stupid winter.. but they are phenominal

[Zach]

Yep, go spiegler.

oh, and 99% of riders wouldn't be able to tell the difference between fresh oem lines and fluid or SS lines and fresh fluid. (just to stir the pot )

[InyaAzz]

I had Galfer on my 06, along with the ZX14 calipers. They were great. Almost too good.

[SJC1000rr]

+3 to Speigler Lines. Have them on the 1krr and installing on the 600rr. Easy to turn the banjo, made in Dayton, Ohio and cheap if you know the right place. Got my SS Race versions for $85 Front, $45 rear.

[BornSinner]

One of these kids are going his own thing....

I run Hel.....and have no problems and they work great...

[RVTPilot]

Hey r1crusher....what were the lines on your K7 that were so short?

[Dubguy85]

Yep, go spiegler.

oh, and 99% of STREET riders wouldn't be able to tell the difference between fresh oem lines and fluid or SS lines and fresh fluid. (just to stir the pot )

fixed

[APCh8r]

Speigler FTW.

# DOT and TUV approved for street use (ONLY APPROVED SS LINE ON THE MARKET)

# Patented torsion system eliminates line twist.

# Kits are available ready to install, or as individual lines for custom applications.

# A generally unrecognized manufacturer’s recommendation is that all original rubber hydraulic hoses should be changed every four years to avoid failure. Spiegler brake lines are maintenance free and will provide reliable service for the life of your motorcycle.

# Steel braided brake lines are available with black, red, blue, carbo / smoke or translucent blue vinyl covering.

# Fittings are available in green, silver, gold, chrome, blue, black, purple, red or titanium.

# Every kit is tailor-made.

# Kevlar brake lines available.

# Colors of line material and fittings can vary due to different lighting during photography.

# Lifetime Warranty.

Plus to top it off, the owner is a fellow rider/racer, great guy and it is a local company (Dayton). Plus you can do any color combos you want.

Check out their website for more info.

http://www.spieglerusa.com/cfm/brakelines.cfm

[Zach]

fixed

not true.

people have this conception that rubber lines bulge and reduce braking feel.

Here's what usually happens: Someone has a bike that has stock lines and it's maybe a couple years old. OEM fluid too. They then put on brand new stainless lines and (here's the important part) brand new fluid.

Stock lines that are kept bled with good fluid work just as well as stainless lines. The real reason for upgrading to stainless is that rubber lines are a wear item and will degrade over time and this leads to decreased feel at the lever. SS lines never need replaced.

[Disclaimer]

...and the poll does not include them. How quaint.

(Speigler lines that is)

[TwiztedRabbit]

not true.

people have this conception that rubber lines bulge and reduce braking feel.

Here's what usually happens: Someone has a bike that has stock lines and it's maybe a couple years old. OEM fluid too. They then put on brand new stainless lines and (here's the important part) brand new fluid.

Stock lines that are kept bled with good fluid work just as well as stainless lines. The real reason for upgrading to stainless is that rubber lines are a wear item and will degrade over time and this leads to decreased feel at the lever. SS lines never need replaced.

ok then what about the ones that upgrade to SS lines because of "brake fade" when they track ride or agressive street... and notice a dullness or lessing of the initial bite so on so forth

[BornSinner]

...and the poll does not include them. How quaint.

(Speigler lines that is)

It does now....

[InyaAzz]

SS lines do reduce bulge...but the percentage difference between SS and rubber is really small. There was a test somewhere out there in Al Gore's internet invention..where the brake lines were connected to an external machine to pressurize them. An old rubber line, a new rubber line and an ss line were tested. The result was like 1% difference between the new SS line and the new rubber line.

My lines were colored red, which produces the best stopping power.

[InyaAzz]

ok then what about the ones that upgrade to SS lines because of "brake fade" when they track ride or agressive street... and notice a dullness or lessing of the initial bite so on so forth

That can be attributed to something wrong with the master cylinder as well.

[TwiztedRabbit]

but honestly instead of looking at the things that could be wrong.. it is more likely then not to actually be true fade...

[Dubguy85]

but honestly instead of looking at the things that could be wrong.. it is more likely then not to actually be true fade...

+1

Especially when happening on a new bike

[TwiztedRabbit]

like in my case.. its an 08 bike with a brembo MC and good pads and fluid... the next step to helping initial bite, better consistancy and reduce fade would be.. better lines.. hence SS lines

[InyaAzz]

+1

Especially when happening on a new bike

I had a brand new 06 ZX10. Horrible fade..but you only saw it when riding hard. It was the MC.

It happens to new bikes too...garbage in, garbage out.

[TwiztedRabbit]

I had a brand new 06 ZX10. Horrible fade..but you only saw it when riding hard. It was the MC.

It happens to new bikes too...garbage in, garbage out.

i have heard of ALOT of people having that issue on that gen zx10... great till ridden hard... so they switched MC and put on the zx14 calipers.. as you did

[mello dude]

+3 to Speigler Lines. Have them on the 1krr and installing on the 600rr. Easy to turn the banjo, made in Dayton, Ohio and cheap if you know the right place. Got my SS Race versions for $85 Front, $45 rear.

I used Spiegler on my project RC51 brake job conversion on the Viffer. They are waaaay nice, and since they were in town and ez to get to the shop, it was a no brainer. --- You sure got a deal, mine was in the 150 buck range, front only.

MD

Edited January 22, 2010 by mello dude

[ohdaho]

Where are people getting cheap Speiglers from? If I go dumpster diving at their plant can I find some?

[RVTPilot]

Fade is caused by just as much going on at the rotor/pad transaction as the fluid and lines, if not more. Most of what attributes to fade is heat, or more accurately, the lack of dissipation of it. On the street you'd be hard pressed to notice the difference betwen lines unless your lines are really old and the rubber had degraded. SS lines dissipate heat better and (in a vacuum) would be the better option. On the street? Eh. Track? Yeppers. But there are so many other aspects in a fluid power circuit that are just as likely to be a culprit.