ReconRat Posted July 3, 2011 Report Share Posted July 3, 2011 (edited) An ABATE group in New York rode to a parade demonstration against helmet laws. They had a permit to ride the parade without helmets, but chose to additionally ride to the parade without the helmets on. One rider locked his front brake up for an unknown reason, and was thrown over the handlebars and died from head injuries.http://www.9wsyr.com/news/local/story/Man-dies-after-motorcycle-crashes-during-helmet/3hjcjSPXsUCsrtyM9cBn0g.cspxThe thought in my head: are the rest of the group responsible for an unlawful death?And how exactly can a statement for not needing helmets be made, when someone needed the helmet while making the statement?And is this one of the cases of the Harley Davidson ABS front brake suddenly locking up?edit: 1983 Harley skidded out of control, no ABS on that... Edited July 4, 2011 by ReconRat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWing'R Posted July 3, 2011 Report Share Posted July 3, 2011 Talk about irony. RIP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jporter12 Posted July 3, 2011 Report Share Posted July 3, 2011 ATGATT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschoolsdime92 Posted July 3, 2011 Report Share Posted July 3, 2011 RIP rider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sParkSnare Posted July 3, 2011 Report Share Posted July 3, 2011 Sad, RIP... Unfortunately, "American Bikers Aimed for Education" doesn't seem to be educating riders very well. :-( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kawi kid Posted July 3, 2011 Report Share Posted July 3, 2011 Damn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hue jass Posted July 3, 2011 Report Share Posted July 3, 2011 Trouble is, the group will actually use this to reinforce they're beliefs. "It was his choice, his decision and no matter the outcome, it's freedom that matters." Something like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rjettman Posted July 3, 2011 Report Share Posted July 3, 2011 I bet if he had a do over, he would choose the helmet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RVTPilot Posted July 3, 2011 Report Share Posted July 3, 2011 RIP, but another case of natural selection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jporter12 Posted July 4, 2011 Report Share Posted July 4, 2011 I see no trouble with this. It's exactly how I feel about helmets and the laws that regulate them. It is the freedom that matters.Exactly. You can't have it both ways. If you don't want the freedom, move to an actual socialist nation, and quit trying to turn our's into one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disclaimer Posted July 4, 2011 Report Share Posted July 4, 2011 Yea, just do it on your own private roads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likwid Posted July 4, 2011 Report Share Posted July 4, 2011 Everyone gets to do whatever they want... unless someone disagrees, in which case they have to stop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crb Posted July 4, 2011 Report Share Posted July 4, 2011 RIP rider!I figured NY and NJ had helmet laws because its the only safety gear most of the riders wear. Hell I see guys wearing flip flops on a bike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAC Posted July 4, 2011 Report Share Posted July 4, 2011 I see no trouble with this. It's exactly how I feel about helmets and the laws that regulate them. It is the freedom that matters.Yeah, they're freedom fighters. Winner take nothing - or less than zero. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scruit Posted July 5, 2011 Report Share Posted July 5, 2011 RIP. "Anyone who rides without a helmet obviosuly has nothing up there worth protecting." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wht_scorpion Posted July 5, 2011 Report Share Posted July 5, 2011 Rip Suck for the helmet laws in NY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkow97 Posted July 5, 2011 Report Share Posted July 5, 2011 the freedom IS what matters. Requiring helmets is one step closer to flatly banning motorcycles "because they're dangerous."I'm not a smoker, but I voted against "smoke free Ohio" for this very reason. I have a mommy and a daddy that taught me how to make intelligent decisions. I don't need my Uncle Sam making them for me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrown57 Posted July 5, 2011 Report Share Posted July 5, 2011 the freedom IS what matters. Requiring helmets is one step closer to flatly banning motorcycles "because they're dangerous."I'm not a smoker, but I voted against "smoke free Ohio" for this very reason. I have a mommy and a daddy that taught me how to make intelligent decisions. I don't need my Uncle Sam making them for me.+1agreed too many stupid people and parents that want the govt to make the rules not them. Govt step aside and let natural selection take its course Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disclaimer Posted July 5, 2011 Report Share Posted July 5, 2011 the freedom IS what matters. Requiring helmets is one step closer to flatly banning motorcycles "because they're dangerous."I'm not a smoker, but I voted against "smoke free Ohio" for this very reason. I have a mommy and a daddy that taught me how to make intelligent decisions. I don't need my Uncle Sam making them for me.I don't like the comparison of smoking bans to the choice to ride with or without a helmet.Smoking affects the health of the smoker and anyone around the smoker vs. the helmet is an individual choice only. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jporter12 Posted July 5, 2011 Report Share Posted July 5, 2011 I don't like the comparison of smoking bans to the choice to ride with or without a helmet.Smoking affects the health of the smoker and anyone around the smoker vs. the helmet is an individual choice only. But not wearing helmets causes all of our insurance rates to increase, or so "they" say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InyaAzz Posted July 5, 2011 Report Share Posted July 5, 2011 Smoking and wearing helmets are two different discussions folks. RIP to the rider...and RIP to trying to confuse these two issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
standout Posted July 5, 2011 Report Share Posted July 5, 2011 the helmet law is more comparable to the seatbelt law. I'm all for child seats and laws regarding that because a child usualy wont make the right decision but as an adult i should be able to choose wether i do or do not wear a seatbelt. The only way not wearing a seatbelt is going to hurt someone else is if i fly out the windshield and into there car. That being said 99% of the time i do wear one but i should not be ticketed if i get caught that 1%. I get what these guys were trying to do. To bad someone lost there life over it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReconRat Posted July 5, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 5, 2011 But not wearing helmets causes all of our insurance rates to increase, or so "they" say. From what I see in the Michigan debate:It's all a result of the no-fault change to insurance. All insurance providers pay into a pool, that covers all the no fault. It also covers medical payments above and beyond standard coverage. The public each pays a claimed 124 bucks average into the pool of funds.Insurance advocates (for Michigan) claim motorcycle riders pay 2% in, but 5% goes out for medical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSB67 Posted July 5, 2011 Report Share Posted July 5, 2011 Insurance advocates (for Michigan) claim motorcycle riders pay 2% in, but 5% goes out for medical.Wouldn't mandatory helmets increase medical costs? I bet DOAs are cheap. Jus' sayin...P.S. I bet the newbies wearing helmet, t-shirt, shorts and flip-flops are expensive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RVTPilot Posted July 5, 2011 Report Share Posted July 5, 2011 Eh, not quite the same. I can't patronize insurance companies that only insure helmeted riders, and pay a lower premium for those of us that chose to ride properly outfitted. Nor do I have the luxury of having a lower premium for riding with a helmet, or paying a higher one for taking the risk of not wearing one, as one does when admitting or tested for being a smoker on health coverage. Personally, I don't think there should be a law forcing someone of adult age to wear a helmet. But if one day it comes to pass that insurance companies don't have to pay out for dead riders when it can be proven a helmet would have saved the rider, I won't bitch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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