duty to inform case dash cam video

[C-bus]

Why would someone with criminal intentions comply with a duty to inform? If the vetted, "trained", licensed, CHL-holder's declaration helps LEO sleep at night, it's a false sense of security. On the other hand, I think I would inform even if that rule went away. I'd rather not surprise a cop with a gun if I should happen to be subjected to a pat-down/beat-down.

[ohiomike]

A bad cop (for whatever reason) who should either find another line of work, or be transferred to a permanent desk job.

[crb]

I personally would have notified the officer would have not stopped me. I would have notified as soon as he walked up to the car window. I notify even if not carrying just to put the officer at ease. I have a funny story concerning notifying ill have to post later.

[Tpoppa]

I've been pulled over a couple times while CCW-ing.

One time, the officer just started speaking without giving me much of a chance to talk. So, I interrupted and spoke over him about the CCW. He was visibly irratated, but only for a couple seconds. Then it was fine.

Unless, I'm mistaken...when the office runs your plate he will know if the plate is registered to a CCW holder. Seems like they would want to give you a second or 2 to speak up.

[flounder]

I have a feeling he will loose his job over this. I support the responsibiltiy to inform as officers already have a tough job so anything I can do to ease their concerns/worries, Im ok with. As with everything else in life, each person will respond differently to different situations.

[John]

Officer safety? A law-abiding CHL holder isn't a threat to a police officer. The notify law needs to go... and so does that shitbag COP.

How many other states don't have a notify law' date=' but have a surplus of COPS shot by CHL holders? I'll give you one guess.[/quote']

yeah you go the legal route, take your class, get your background check, pay your fees and get your license, and now you're a threat to officer safety. makes perfect sense.

[ohiomike]

I personally would have notified the officer would have not stopped me. I would have notified as soon as he walked up to the car window. I notify even if not carrying just to put the officer at ease. I have a funny story concerning notifying ill have to post later.

Oh I agree. The driver was out of line but the cop went so far overboard after totally the cops' mishandling of the stop from the get go. That, imho, put both officers in more peril than the drivers failure to inform. Stress is stress and everyone handles if different, and because of the deadly nature of their job, cop's are under a lot of it. Still no excuse. Maybe he should sign on in one of the major Cities PD's, like LA or Philly Boston or NY. Stress there must be even higher for officers.

But we should be more appreciative of those officers who go about their daily occupation safely while at the same time enforcing the law with respect and dignity given and taken.

Thanks to you all!

[Scruit]

when the office runs your plate he will know if the plate is registered to a CCW holder. Seems like they would want to give you a second or 2 to speak up.

That bit is a problem too. I have my CCW but my wife does not. We are both joint owners on both of our cars. If she gets pulled over in her car then the officer will get the CCW warning. I hope if she gets pulled over that the officer is smart enough to realize that my name is obviously not a female name.

[John]

I have a feeling he will loose his job over this.

lol yeah right. accountability is not part of the culture. cover up for your buddies is.

my money is on either a "notation in his file" or a paid vacation.

[crb]

lol yeah right. accountability is not part of the culture. cover up for your buddies is.

my money is on either a "notation in his file" or a paid vacation.

Agreed

[crb]

I have only been pulled over once while carrying and that was when I lived in Indiana. Indiana did not require notification and I notified anyway. I was pulled over in my hometown by a state trooper for improper passing on right anyway I lived in a college town. I happened to be pulled over less than four blocks from the college. These two college police squad cars pull behind the proper mind you he didn't call for backup. I felt like I was in a scene from super trooper the college police blocked the busy street behind us as I pulled over onto a side street for the officers safety. These two yahoo's block the big road one of them jumps out of his car weapon drawn the other gets out ready to draw. I though I was in real trouble until I hear them asking if the trooper needed help. He told them he had it handled in s smart ### tone and to move cause they are holding up traffic. I found it hilarious cause the college pd guys thought they were hot stuff in that town. They seemed confused as to why the trooper was shooing (spelling?) them off.

[Tpoppa]

That bit is a problem too. I have my CCW but my wife does not. We are both joint owners on both of our cars. If she gets pulled over in her car then the officer will get the CCW warning. I hope if she gets pulled over that the officer is smart enough to realize that my name is obviously not a female name.

I don't see that as an issue. If no one in the car is carrying, there is no duty to inform.

[Scruit]

lol yeah right. accountability is not part of the culture. cover up for your buddies is.

my money is on either a "notation in his file" or a paid vacation.

I vote for termination.

This case is very similar to the Brett Darrow case. An officer going off the deep end by yelling, threatening violence and threatneing to fabricate a reason for attacking the driver.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3GlEe1kCHA

In that case the officer was fired.

EDIT: And the police department was disbanded. And the Chief was arrested for underage sex. And I saw a report that suggested that the mayor was charged with kiddie porn, but those details are thin and I cna't find a news report to back that up.

Edited July 21, 2011 by Scruit

[FZRMatt]

Officer safety? A law-abiding CHL holder isn't a threat to a police officer. The notify law needs to go... and so does that shitbag COP.

How many other states don't have a notify law' date=' but have a surplus of COPS shot by CHL holders? I'll give you one guess.[/quote']

I will admit that this is a bad situation that was handled completely incorrectly from the start. However, the statement that a legal CCW permit holder is not a threat to an officer is crap. I have run across several "legal permit holders", 6 to be exact, who are gang members and have been charged with multiple violent crimes (including murder). They have been able to obtain their CCW permits because the charges have been dropped due to the witnesses disappearing after some serious witness intimidation. The last one was a "shooter" for the Crips. He was a permit holder because he didn't run with the gang, he kept his nose clean, to the extent that he didn't even have a ticket on his record. He was given up by "friends" and linked to the guns through DNA (he left them behind).

[Tonik]

He had many opportunities to tell either officer, "I have a CCW permit and I have a gun on my person".

He tried to notify three times and was told, very forcibly to shut up. When he handed his license he also tried to hand his CCW permit, and was again berated by the officer. I have the utmost respect for LEO's I have two family members that are LEO's in the Cleveland suburbs so no disrespect intended but this is all on these Canton PD officers. They are 100 percent out of line and should be terminated.

[John]

I have run across several "legal permit holders", 6 to be exact

just to put this into perspective, how many permit holders have you come across? i.e. 6 out of X

have been charged with multiple violent crimes (including murder). They have been able to obtain their CCW permits because the charges have been dropped due to the witnesses disappearing after some serious witness intimidation.

if a witness testimony (which is not the most reliable thing in the first place) was the only evidence there was for conviction, how strong was the case against them in the first place?

i understand where you are coming from, but stories (that are not really verifiable in the first place and could just be hyperbole for all we really know) dont prove your point.

Edited July 21, 2011 by John

[FZRMatt]

just to put this into perspective, how many permit holders have you come across? i.e. 6 out of X

You are correct, I come across a lot of them, and this is an example of only 6. That being said, the statement was that a "legal" CCW permit holder does not pose a threat to officers. I stand by my statement of bullshit.

I'm not looking to start an argument, but I would like to reverse your logic and ask how many officers are there in Ohio compared to asshole interactions you have had with them? There are bad cops! Every department has them, however, there are bad CCW permit holders, motorcycle riders, bank tellers,....etc. My frustration comes in with the generalization of "all cops are bad", which is a frequent theme with Ohio Riders (patrons). Most of the people who have had one of these negative interactions need to keep on mind that, had you been operating your vehicle within the law, you never would have been in the position to have that negative interaction to begin with.

(John, that was not necessarily directed toward you, it just fit).

[FZRMatt]

just to put this into perspective, how many permit holders have you come across? i.e. 6 out of X

You are correct, I come across a lot of them, and this is an example of only 6. That being said, the statement was that a "legal" CCW permit holder does not pose a threat to officers. I stand by my statement of bullshit.

I'm not looking to start an argument, but I would like to reverse your logic and ask how many officers are there in Ohio compared to asshole interactions you have had with them? There are bad cops! Every department has them, however, there are bad CCW permit holders, motorcycle riders, bank tellers,....etc. My frustration comes in with the generalization of "all cops are bad", which is a frequent theme with Ohio Riders (patrons). Most of the people who have had one of these negative interactions need to keep on mind that, had you been operating your vehicle within the law, you never would have been in the position to have that negative interaction to begin with.

(John, that was not necessarily directed toward you, it just fit).

[Carwhore]

Ftp.

[Casper]

I will admit that this is a bad situation that was handled completely incorrectly from the start. However, the statement that a legal CCW permit holder is not a threat to an officer is crap. I have run across several "legal permit holders", 6 to be exact, who are gang members and have been charged with multiple violent crimes (including murder). They have been able to obtain their CCW permits because the charges have been dropped due to the witnesses disappearing after some serious witness intimidation. The last one was a "shooter" for the Crips. He was a permit holder because he didn't run with the gang, he kept his nose clean, to the extent that he didn't even have a ticket on his record. He was given up by "friends" and linked to the guns through DNA (he left them behind).

Uhm, if DNA linked him to the guns, the witness testimony wouldn't have mattered.

[John]

You are correct, I come across a lot of them, and this is an example of only 6. That being said, the statement was that a "legal" CCW permit holder does not pose a threat to officers. I stand by my statement of bullshit.

like i said, i understand where you are coming from... and of course neither of us can just make blanket statements. there are always exceptions. you cant say 100% of ccw holders are not a threat, just like you cant say 100% of cops are bad...

but id like to see if there are any statstics of how many cops are shot by CCW holders.

There are bad cops! Every department has them, however, there are bad CCW permit holders, motorcycle riders, bank tellers,....etc.

the thing is, if you are a bad bank teller, you get fired. if you are a bad cop, your buddies all rally around you and say how awesome you are, and you dont get fired, you get a vacation and a note in your file.

My frustration comes in with the generalization of "all cops are bad", which is a frequent theme with Ohio Riders (patrons). Most of the people who have had one of these negative interactions need to keep on mind that, had you been operating your vehicle within the law, you never would have been in the position to have that negative interaction to begin with.

(John, that was not necessarily directed toward you, it just fit).

actually, the couple of times that i actually was speeding or something have always been fine.

its the times i didnt do anything at all that were always bad...

first was when i was about 9 years old. on the school bus reading a book. some douche older kid throws a battery at a car and about a mile down the road a cop pulls over the bus. starts questioning all the kids (can you even do that without guardian present?) when he gets to me, i told him i was reading. he said that was BS, no one reads like that, and i better tell him the truth or else i'd be in trouble... no one reads? wtf just because you ever picked up a book doesnt mean no one has... intimidating a little kid? classy.

there was the time me and my buddy got pulled over because the "car looks stolen". he wouldnt say what a stolen car looks like, or how he could differentiate it from a legitimately owned car. its not like the windows were smashed out... i know it is just code for "black man driving a nice car in a white neighborhood"

there was the time the cop stopped me because he said "my license plate light wasnt bright enough". then he said that my car was too nice for a young guy like me and he wanted to search it. i declined. he tried to intimidate me, telling me he was going to take me to jail, yadda yadda yadda. he said he was going to get the dog. dog shows up, walks around the car twice and does nothing. then the handler jerks the chain and makes the dog bark "oh the dog is indicating there are drugs in there!!!!" of course there was nothing.

last one off the top of my head, we were loading my friends drag car (not a street car) on the trailer to go to the track. garage is in the alley, on the corner of the street/alley intersection. we pull the trailer up on the street on the side of the garage, pull the car out of the garage, and start it up on the trailer. a cop is driving down the street and stops and starts talking about how we are driving an illegal car on the street and he is going to give us a ticket/impound car etc.wtf? we are just loading it on the trailer.

now this, yes i get we violated the LETTER of the law... but not the spirit. its not like we were doing drag runs up and down the street, or driving the thing around town... we were moving it like 20 feet from the garage to the trailer, but barney fife was acting like it was the crime of the century... eventually he left, but not after giving us serious attitude

during all of these, i was always polite. im not the kind of guy who is going to start yelling and screaming at a cop on the side of the road, calling him a douchebag or whatever. thats just not me. i know that the side of the road is not the place to argue. but i mean, after stuff like this, what am i supposed to think? a few bad apples spoil the whole bunch i guess... just to be clear, i dont think that ALL cops are bad. but i do think there are bad apples, and i think that overall accountability is just not part of the police culture.

Edited July 21, 2011 by John

[FZRMatt]

Uhm, if DNA linked him to the guns, the witness testimony wouldn't have mattered.

That is why he is the one still on jail awaiting his murder trial. I was referring to a couple of different cases. Sorry for the confusion.

[idodishez]

Didn't realize it was a law to inform. Just thought it was a good idea. Got pulled over last week for window tint/speeding. Cop already had an attitude (because my tint was so dark??) so I felt like I would be adding fuel to the fire. If he asked, yeah I'll inform, just as I did when I lived in Indiana. He didnt ask, I didn't mention it. After the stop, I realized/remembered he probably didn't ask/get tag notification because the car was registered to my dad

So anyone want to post a link to this? This hippy still can't see the original link:)

[idodishez]

Most of the people who have had one of these negative interactions need to keep on mind that, had you been operating your vehicle within the law, you never would have been in the position to have that negative interaction to begin with.

In a perfect and just world

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[idodishez]

I have many examples like Johns too, and I was a white dude in a white neighborhood!

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