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Jcarlson... I commend you on going back to Devry and getting you're degree.Lifelong learning is crucial to staying employable. I'm in the proccess of getting my solar and windfarm certs through the I.B.E.W.There's a couple of big solar projects I have my eye on in Californa.

Jcarlson.... You're situation represents what I am saying.When you said you were not union but your job was outscourced anyway...that's what I'm getting at.This problem is not a union caused problem,it happens to non-union workers everyday,we can not work cheap enough for the unsatiable greed of bankers and corporations.You mention the $4.00 hr worker,can you work for that?Should we give unlimited access,and tax breaks, to companies that search the global plantation for the most desperate workers to exploit?Think of the impact this stratagy has on our tax base when both the workers and the corporations are not paying taxes here.That is why we are in the crunch we are in now and the politicians are blaming the public unions.The real problem is unsatiable corporate greed AND US,the American consumer,demanding the cheapest price.When we flock to communist china mart for the cheapest price we are killing the American economy,and tax base.Four members of the Walton family are in the top 10 of the wealthiest people in the world and I have to buy their employee's school lunches?And pick up their healthcare?That's not a union problem,that's a moral problem.I can't fathom or support that level of greed.But others not only support it,but turn around and say working people are not worth $40,000+ a year. Of working people in America,who do you think uses the most public assistance...union or non-union?Why should my tax dollars go to subsidizing the non-union bosses greed?There is a hugh hidden cost in providing non-union workers with taxpayer provided necessities.

Brought to you by someone who is or will be receiving union negotiated benifits.

You're not going to get any shit from me.I agree with most of you're post.Any organization made by man is not perfect.Unions definitly have their problems and you mentioned the worst problem...protecting the worthless.If we could/would fix this problem it would be a major improvement.But from my experience they(the worthless)only represent about 5% of the total.I imagine you will have that anywhere.I know it's in the non-union because I've seen them and their work...I've been hired to fix it.The worthless in the non-union is usually a family member or some special suck ass,not unlike unions. I know the difference that being union has made in my life.It has trained me for a transferable skill(not payed for with government money) with good wages and benifits.The tax payer won't have to pick up my health care,children's school lunches or retirement. I have to disagree with you on your statement that unions cause outscourcing.Unions only represent about 12% of the private sector workforce.Of course that leaves 88% to the non-union.Do you really believe that the millions of jobs that have been outscourced has come from that 12%?Of course not.For the last thirty years the m.o. of corporations has been union>non-union>over seas.Unions are not the cause.In the Dispatch today there is a front page story about the effects of the downsizing of Longaberger on the economy of the village of Dresden.Longaberger was and always has been staunchly anti-union,yet those non-union workers could not work cheap enough to keep those jobs in America.I know this is just one example,but millioms of NON-UNION jobs have been outscourced.This problem is not union caused and it is not a union only concern.Unions are just the scapegoat,much like what is happening right now in Ohio. Check out the link that JRM (?) posted today under the SB5 thread. BTW,I served too...Air Force 1980-1984 Europe.Thanks for serving.

Yawn. You're way too hypocritical to take serious. Enjoy your labor day holiday,brought to you by unions.I think I'll go for a ride.

I see you're going hypocrite again.In another thread you supported giving tax breaks to companies that use socialist labor. What's Kasich's net job creation in Ohio,maybe minus 7000? BTW,I'm not supporting the posted decision.I don't support any decision that hurts American workers.

Sapphy and Kawi Kid...I hope I do meet you and you change my mind.Maybe I just met the wrong republicans. Rod...it looks like we found something to agree on,"nevermind..." Enjoy your union negotiated benifits.I'm enjoying mine. Also,you're right,it will get worse,but dragging other American workers down isn't going to stop it.

Have you ever met a republican that is not a hypocrite? Everyone I have ever met thinks that they should be living the good life and everyone else should be their slave.

Where did that post come from?I agreed with tax breaks if they created good jobs HERE.I can't see giving tax breaks to create more socialist jobs,but then again,I'm not a hypocritical socialist republican. Why do you choose the China model over the German model? I noticed you side stepped defending Kasich for his wall street incompetence or crimes.I'd appreciate it if you could give me some insight as to why anyone would vote for one of the morally bankrupt bankers that did more damage to this country than Bin Laden.I can understand voting for a republican,but not that piece of shit.Kasich and the banking industry are the ones that destroyed our economy,not unions.

That all sounds good,but the bottom line is you can't compete with $3,000 dollar a year labor. Another thought...I might be wrong but I belief highly unionized Germany is the second leading exporter in the world after China.If unions are the problem,how can they do that?The problem isn't unions nearly as much as the greed and incompetence of American management.A perfect example is our governor.His last private sector job led to the bankrupcy of the company and the near collapse of the American economy.How was he penalized for "creating this business friendly environment"?You republicans put him in the governors's office.Even unions don't reward that level of incompetence. As for low taxes on the rich creating jobs...yes,they do create jobs.The only problem is they create those jobs in China and other near slave labor countries.The republican's socialist partners.You might as well keep the taxes up because tax breaks aren't creating jobs here.Now if those jobs are created here with good wages,then yes,I'll agree with tax breaks. As for all the benifits you said you had above...I still have those.So it is still possible to have these benifits.Will they last?Who knows,but they have already lasted longer than a lot of non-union jobs where the workers made less. You might as well stand for something.

You might want to quit drinking the coolaid. I've worked in locals in seven states and everytime you hire in you need to show documentation proving legal status.It is the greedy(or incompetent) non-union bosses that don't want to pay decent wages or taxes that hire illegals.Unions are under a microscope,if the non-union bosses were held to the same standards there would be fines levied everyday.Of course,there is an easy solution to the illegal problem...confiscate the rescources of those who hire illegals,the problem would quickly go away.If they can do it to drug dealers they can do it to these criminals. The vast percentage of illegals are hired/exploited by law breaking non-union bosses.I'd be happy to wager on that if you're a betting man. As for unions being responsible for sending work over seas...go back to my original post,Longaberger is a staunchly non-union company.Yet their people could not work cheap enough to keep the work in America.How are unions responsible for this?I know this is just one example,but for the last 30 years(since the Ray-gun ad) the standard pratice of companies has been to go from union to non-union to overseas.I've read where the average wage in China is $3,000 dollars a year.American labor can not work for that.Will you work for that? Yes union people do vote dem much more often,but ironically I didn't see much,if any, positive movement on any of the issues you listed during any of the republican administrations since before Reagan.In the same timeframe the working people of America have taken a beating. Here we go with the socialism crap again.Correct me if I'm wrong...the large percentage of management in large companies vote republican.These same republican voting managers sent millions of American jobs to SOCIALIST China.They are now partners with socialists.It's pretty easy to see that republicans love socialism if they can make a buck from it.It's just when it helps other people that they can't stand it. Of course,being a man of principles you're not going to take any of the union negotiated benifits that you acquired during those twenty years,right?

Why don't we just let the Chinese do the jobs,or hire illegal immigrants.That's what the non-union bosses do. Anybody want to buy a $15,000,000 house in muskingum county?Our local non-union boss is selling.As far as labor goes,it seems her local non-union help couldn't work cheap enough so she's moving more and more stuff to her socialist workers in China.What's the reward for her loyal unempolyed workers?Maybe they can drive by her $15,000,000 mansion and see what their labor bought. Ya gotta love those non-union bosses.Just work hard and they'll give you what you deserve...right.

Here's the route numbers from Caldwell.... 78w>377s>555n>78w>13s>329s>550w>690s>50e>329>144s>50e>555n> 676e>26n>537w>260s>7n>800n>255s>7n>536w>78e>556w>145w>800s> 78w>145s>564n>78w end in Caldwell. It's probably going to change slightly since 536 is going to be eliminated due to road conditions.

I agree.This route has been about seven years in the making.Back in 2004 or 2003 Mike Carpenter(yamaholic on the fjr forum),from Columbus, started an annual ride called the spring ramble.Over the years several local riders have suggested roads and this is the route that wheatonfjr has created from the original route and all of the suggestions.I think he did a hell of a job! We run some variation of this route every spring or fall.Usually about 10-12 bikes from 3 or 4 states. The past few years wheatonfjr from Wheaton Illinois is the one who keeps this ramble going.I guess you appreciate these great roads a little more when they're not right in your own back yard.

True.The best builders I know don't have websites and they have plenty of work.Being honest and doing good work is still the best advertising.

This is the FJR forum fall ramble route.370 miles of some of S.E.O.'s finest...

It's just the logical path of privatization,you'll be reading about simular scandals involving Ohio in the coming years.Greed is unsatiable.

Jeez,where did all the republicans go?Throw a few FACTS at them and they disappear.They must be over at oxycotin Rush's place brewing up the next socialist Obama b.s.When you show them in a gragh exactly how bad the last republican was it's pretty hard to defend the same old repuke b.s...tax cuts for the rich does not create jobs.At least not here,maybe in their socialist partner country. Bush tax cuts,socialist off shoring and corrupt bankers(think Kasich) caused our financial problems in Ohio and the nation.It's just the facts.

On second thought you might be talking about Miller's Lane.It goes from Carlwick on 146,past the new Philo high school to the North side of Duncan Falls.It's a lot more hilly than Salt Creek.Salt Creek is about two miles east of Miller's Lane,it runs through a valley,nice sweepers.

Are you talking about Salt Creek drive?That is a fun connector between 60 and 146.It's starting to get a little rough in spots though.

I take it you didn't see the graph on our debt in the Sunday Columbus dispatch?It was trending down until the village idiot from Texas took over,and then off to the races skyward.Twice as much spent as Obama.It amazes me how re-pukes forget the stinking pile of shit left behind from the Bush/Chaney cartel...and Obama is supposed to fix it all in a year or two?We'll be at least twenty years digging ourselves out of that mess.And the re-pukes want the same old dumdshit that has been destroying the middle class since the Ray-gun era.Of course no one is mentioning the root cause of all this mess...greedy republican C.E.O.s off shoring all those jobs to their communist partners in China.And they call Obama a socialist. Of course,the corrupt bankers like our governor didn't help either.

What is it with 27 and music people? Another one on a long list.

87,500 on the FJR,17,500 on the KLR.Both bought new.

I always stay on the other side of the river to avoid that whole mess on 60.My extent of riding on 60 is from Deitz Lane to the 719 bridge.That's what,maybe 150 yards?

Looks like another trip to check out new pavement this weekend.Beverly to Dexter City...that's the good part of 339.Thanks for the info.