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I think the same guys did "All I want, BANG BANG BANG!"

205 hp s/c'd and intercooled Ecotech The suspension is stiffer and tuned for handling The interior is much nicer. I expect dealer offered performance packages because they want it to compete with the SRT-4. These are the pics I took of the one I was in. http://www.msprotege.com/members/Mallard/Pics/DSC01925.JPG http://www.msprotege.com/members/Mallard/Pics/DSC01924.JPG http://www.msprotege.com/members/Mallard/Pics/DSC01923.JPG http://www.msprotege.com/members/Mallard/Pics/DSC01927.JPG http://www.msprotege.com/members/Mallard/Pics/DSC01928.JPG

I like them too. Haven't driven it yet, but I poked around one for a while and the EcoTech has a lot of potential. I drove an Ion Redline and wasn't impressed all that much, so I'm hoping the Cobalt SS feels a little more nible. I would love to test drive one on a proper course.

Nice pair of cars you have there. Anything done to the Fiero? I've always been a fan of those cars.

Considering he said it was a 13.2 sec I'm sure he had too much wheelspin resulting on a higher mph. Taken from the corvette forum: "Official 1/4 mile times are now down to 12.5 seconds at 114 MPH." Then again, maybe it's not stock, but I don't think anyone would have had time to modify one yet.

True, the shape of the HP curve (the area under it) has more to do with it then the peak value. But when comparing them you should only be concerned with the HP curves if you only want to know what's faster in the 1/4 mile.

A stock C6 will and has run 12's. Times of the car were never shown, but he said 13.2 @122 before he launched on the next run. Oh yeah, and that's probably NWS considering the Playboy ads that show up when you go to d/l.

on a drag strip hp > * so #3 would be faster On the street #1 would probably be the easiest to drive.

that avatar's probably NWS too

linky no worky

Lookin good! I'd also like to point out that I've had the same pair of shoes in the amount of time that you've had 2 (and this will be 3) differnt turbo's on your car. ...And I buy a lot of shoes.

Too many Phil's on this forum.

best.noob.post.ever.

1) Because I was typing my post as you posted that. 2) Those are vital to the design don't you think? How can you criticise a design without taking those into factor? Ok, great, stock it puts out 205hp, nothing special, right? Well look how flat the torque curve is for one thing, and also consider that stock block, stock internals on an EcoTech have been taken to 500hp. To me that speaks volumes about the robustness of the design, and the amount of tuning they put into it.

I'll quote myself because I think it's funny. As far as your comment that GM only touts cupholders and reliability: Um, ok...I'm not seeing that. I see a GM that's touting the EcoTech as the new generations 350 small block. The GM that's used the EcoTech to dominate 'import' drag racing. The GM that's used the EcoTech to smash Bonnieville Salt Flats records. The GM that openly advertises the C5-R's and the CTS-V's racing success. Have you watched any GM commercials lately?? I don't see one that advertises a cup holder. Instead I see lots of tire smoke. Direct Injection: GM developed it in the 80's, Mitsu took it over after alternative fuels and EV's became the agenda. Now they're coming to fruition. Actually Opel used a DI Diesel to break a 24 hour speed record. Ceramic brakes: gimmie a break. There's a reason they only come on $100k cars. VVT: GM has been using cam phasing for years, and ok VVT is not on their engines. Alternative Fuels: GM and Ford cars are/have been able to run on many different fuels. But they never took off. (no place to fill them up) GM leads the world in fuel cell development. Innovative engines? How about the LS1/LS6, LS2, EcoTech, TrailBlazer I-6, or the High Feature V6. The problem is you only see innovation as a complete change in architecture. But GM has focused on improving airflow and combustion as much as possible. Yeah, the LS2 is the same architecture as the same small block from the 50's, but there is a world of difference in the engines. GM had management problems up until a few years ago, until they brought in Lutz, who then brought in some key personnel. The products that have been developed since the changes took place are just beginning to come to market. The next few years will be very interesting. GM has vast resources, and engineering knowledge that you can't begin to fathom. (since you think they suck so much) And I'm not saying that other automakers don't have a lot of knowledge. But I think a lot of people hate GM for BS reasons and because they like to complain a lot. The Cobalt is no sports car, true. But it's not meant to be on the level of a Corvette. Looking at a Neon and Cobalt SS side by side you would see that this car hits the mark.

So because the architecture that's being used has been around forever, then it's a POS, old-tech engine and GM sucks??? I fail to see your logic. You're making conclusions based on a spec sheet that's been dumbed down for every lay-person that will look at the car and carries no actual engineering information. Everything listed above could be said about nearly every engine on the market today. So is everything on the market a POS follower?

RecklessOP, I took the liberty of circling your car in the picture so he would know what to rip on. graemlins/popcorn.gif http://www.msprotege.com/members/Mallard/Pics/recklessOP.jpg Here's a pic of my car so you can try to rip on me. (hope you're not on dialup) http://www.msprotege.com/members/Mallard/Pics/DSC00302.JPG

cool Coming this winter/spring I'll be looking at possible upgrades that could help me out in my autocross class. So I'll probably be looking at a manifold, downpipe, exhaust as long as the price isn't bad. I'll be interested to see what your manifold looks like.

HiBoost is coming out with a GT30R turbo kit too, aren't they? Any reason you'd go with MAM over HiBoost since HiBoost uses Haltech's and could probably send you new maps? You going to rebuild that tranny with a Quaife?

You are way off on this one. The only thing that could be considered rice is the wing, and that's optional, and the SRT-4 has an even bigger wing. The EcoTech is anything but difficult to tune and far from 'old-tech.' If you think it's old-tech because it uses a s/c instead of a turbo then I think your opinion is inaccurate. There is plenty of power to be had from a s/c and there is no lag; a huge plus when doing anything other then drag racing.

at least you have a way of hacking your ECU

He has a GT28RS "Disco Potato" that has been modified, front mount intercooler, 440 injectors, Haltech E6k engine management, forged rods, forged pistons, custom manifolds and piping...I'm probably forgetting something other then his appearance mods, but that's the major stuff. with all that power on a stock tranny and LSD he will soon have a "custom" tranny mod too.

Linked to another forum. Hard to see, but interesting none-the-less. http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39578

http://www.columbusracing.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=19;t=002193

Just don't scratch the sores then go to the bathroom.