You guys kill me. This forum is full of some of the worst penis envy having peeps I've ever seen. First of all, the response was directed to R1. he was ribbing me, I ribbved him back. We weren't getting into an in depth technical analysis of rider ability. Additionally, the cycle DOES matter. This liter bike race is one big game. If Kaw comes out with a bike doing 165 for two years, you better believe Suzuki is gonna try and trump that on their next cycle. To say it doesn't matter is just plain ignorant. Do i like it? No. is it the truth? Well, the mags/rags are all on it...and the manufacturers are feeding the frenzy. If it didn't matter, they wouldn't advertise such things as RWHP. Of COURSE RWHP doesn't make a bike. Just like having god awful turn signals like the 08 ZX10 makes it a BAD bike. It might make it ugly..but it doesn't mean it's not a good track or street bike. Would I buy it? Hell no. But someone else might and will. My response to R1 was based on what he perceived he saw on a dyno. Can you measure rider ability on a dyno? last time I checked, um no. So when you are talking about taking this and that to the track...that means absolutely nothing as it pertains to my post. I used HP as a basis for my post..assuming all other factors are the same (yes, i know torgue plays a factor as well). This is what R1 and myself have to base our 'discussion' on. It wasn't about Kaw this or Suzuki that or Honda this. Man, I start to pay more attention to this forum and the more I do, the more I shake my head.