Soren Posted January 22, 2016 Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 Ummmm.....I didn't say anything about lap-times( I like the system).....you have me confused with someone else. I'm an expert Wera racer in "I" on a Motard and I'm over beating the dead horse!!! I'm just looking for track and tuning time that's all....Expert at being a dbag mabey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habi Posted January 23, 2016 Report Share Posted January 23, 2016 How are you evaluating for A and B groups? Asking ahead of time for experience or assuming A and pulling riders down to B if they ae not consistent? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subisti Posted January 23, 2016 Report Share Posted January 23, 2016 So intermediate is a and b, but will be running together? Is there a limit to how many people per group. I recall a few days this year where there were close to 40 in intermediate , that is ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Clay Posted January 23, 2016 Report Share Posted January 23, 2016 I know for a fact, I was the 42nd and 45th rider in "I" group after lunch last year.......which is great!!! I hope it goes up to 60 riders!!!! Don't worry or get excited everyone it's only temporary,we'll be back down to 45 or less by lunch!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rusty Posted January 23, 2016 Report Share Posted January 23, 2016 i believe all 3 levels will have 35 spots, this way we have some room bump people up or down.the intermediate group remain same,we just going evaluate riders by their riding skills by most experience coaches and select them A or B.same for advance ,plenty people last few years sign up to advance and they not really advance riders.we going bump people up or down if need it,some people may complain but all is for safety.anybody can ask any instructor work one on one and get better.some people have no judgment on their skills.i witness last year at putnam guy on street R1 go directly to advance because he thought his fast base what his street buddies told him.he end up in hospital,total bike, and ruin few sessions for everydoby.we want avoid stuff like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwiztedRabbit Posted January 23, 2016 Report Share Posted January 23, 2016 i remember that dude at putnam.. that was a nasty one.. we left dudes bike on display all weekend just for shock value....less riders is deff better, glad to see mid ohio making the effort Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rusty Posted January 25, 2016 Report Share Posted January 25, 2016 Everybody before first day read the rules and day schedule on website,there is few changes,like first session start 8:45am, so intermediate riders should attend riders meeting in leathers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trackbikez Posted January 26, 2016 Report Share Posted January 26, 2016 (edited) Maybe this is a redundant question -- but will those that ran "A" last season be able to run "A" at all without a race license? Asking because I want to know whether or not to have my leathers on when I show up for my first trackday this year -- being auto-bumped to I(exp) ...or if I can keep running slow "A" pace. None of the coaches gave me any feedback last season, good or bad, right or wrong; so I just assumed I was out there doing OK. Edited January 26, 2016 by Trackbikez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rusty Posted January 26, 2016 Report Share Posted January 26, 2016 if you run A last season you will be allowed sign to A this year too.if you really off pace and your lines are all over the place then you will be send to I. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rusty Posted January 26, 2016 Report Share Posted January 26, 2016 before season start everything will be explain on website.pretty much nobody can bump themselfs to higher level,it can be done only by coach staff.if you miss riders meeting ,you will have meeting one on one,and probably miss a session.there is few people who constantly coming late,bikes not prep,we need stop this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwiztedRabbit Posted January 26, 2016 Report Share Posted January 26, 2016 man im totally getting bumped down... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rusty Posted January 26, 2016 Report Share Posted January 26, 2016 Lol Jason. First you need find time from your busy schedule to come down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwiztedRabbit Posted January 26, 2016 Report Share Posted January 26, 2016 Mondays this year will be easier to come by. I'll actually fit in a few mid ohio days this year among the stt stuff.. brian pretty much told me I had to, to remain friends haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moto-Brian Posted January 30, 2016 Report Share Posted January 30, 2016 Ok... Rusty has given some great info. That's awesome! However, a few things... "A" Group riders will be evaluated for proposed entry into that group. If you are an expert licensed racer and provide that license at registration, you are permitted to sign up. HOWEVER, you are still being watched and we will bump you down. Point is that no matter what the card says, you have to follow rules... Those that ran "A" last year - you need to run a set number of days in "A" group to be permitted in and sign up the first day. This prevents that one guy in "I" Group that didn't have room and bumped up to "A" that was not filled so they could ride. We are looking at QTY (4) or QTY (5) days to be allowed in to sign. "I" group will be broken down into two different levels. Think Novice/Inter level and Int/Advanced level. This will be based on the number of days that you have participated in our track days at the "I" level. The second level or more advanced "I" rider will include those that may have ridden a1-3 days or so in "A" last year with us and of course, Novice race licensed riders for evaluation. It's pretty simple - you wanna ride "A" group? Get with the "i" instructor, have them follow and lead and such a session. If they feel you are ready, they will talk to the lead in "A" group. That person will assign you an "A" instructor and you will have a session of evaluation before we confirm or deny the advancement. Also, second level "I" riders are eligible for Twilight events. This will give our "A" riders comfort knowing that an "I" rider at Twilights is a rider that has the track time, is a more advanced "I" rider and will be a safe addition to the event. We were getting too many first time "I" riders or those that rode "I" only a few times and were a safety concern mixed with much faster riders. Lap times do not measure everything. So everyone please keep that out of the conversation. Smoothness, consistency, predictability and ability are the measures. If you are upset at the fact that you have to ride "I" instead of the "A" group you rode last year, understand that this is a safety issue. We need these days to be less crash oriented and more fun oriented. Many riders that should be bumped down or even up are based on safety of those around them and themselves. Plus, you will have more fun riding in a group that better suits your own ability. The sessions will be the same, the day will start a little differently as we have some more changes that I do not think we should discuss yet. But, in the end I can promise that we are looking at this like a business. We have a product that sooooo many other companies have available. How do we stack up? We feel that we were slacking and that the quality of the product was dropping. Changes are always hard to take at the outset, but in the end, I think the changes we are discussing are for the better and above all, SAFER!!! Think about this. You make a small error in a golf game with your buddies. Maybe you break a car window or a house window on the course. In this sport, a small error can lead to a resting spot in a pinewood box. Much different. We need to make these changes to prevent that from happening. Plus, the quality of the event and desire to be at these events will increase. See ya out there!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subisti Posted January 31, 2016 Report Share Posted January 31, 2016 So intermediate will be 2 groups running at the same time? I think if safety is the concern limiting to 25-30 people on track at a time should be implemented. Having 35-45 people running at the same time with 20 seconds difference in lap times is just straight unsafe. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RHill Posted January 31, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2016 I'd expect the rider limit on track to remain the same....it is just subdivisions of the intermediate group. On 1/30/2016 at 9:16 AM, Moto-Brian said: "A" Group riders will be evaluated for proposed entry into that group. If you are an expert licensed racer and provide that license at registration, you are permitted to sign up. HOWEVER, you are still being watched and we will bump you down. Point is that no matter what the card says, you have to follow rules... Those that ran "A" last year - you need to run a set number of days in "A" group to be permitted in and sign up the first day. This prevents that one guy in "I" Group that didn't have room and bumped up to "A" that was not filled so they could ride. We are looking at QTY (4) or QTY (5) days to be allowed in to sign. That prerequisite # of days might catch the one stray fish that bumped to A to get on track (who would still be caught if A group is observed), but it is going to frustrate a lot more A riders who don't have the time or funds to attend 4+ days. It will push more potentially fast riders from A into I group increasing speed differential until they can be bumped back up to A. # of days attended is not related to pace or consistency....unless it is your very first day at the track, which should begin in I or towed in A IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonStopable Posted January 31, 2016 Report Share Posted January 31, 2016 So what about those of us that are already A riders with other groups such as N2 ( which already incorporate the bump evaluation). and hold a Novice license and have ran in A last year but only did three days at Mid O in the previous season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jester_ Posted January 31, 2016 Report Share Posted January 31, 2016 I'm a fan of everything mid ohio is proposing except the prerequisite for the number of days ran. I ran one day at mid ohio last year so I have to go to intermediate. Intermediate/advanced requires you to have ran intermediate days which I haven't done in years. So now I'm in intermediate/novice? Anyone want to buy a mid ohio gift certificate off of me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwiztedRabbit Posted January 31, 2016 Report Share Posted January 31, 2016 jester your overthinking it... you would go to int/adv not int/nov you didn't run the # of days for adv last year so you would drop to int /adv I really am gonna get the flame here but to many people are to caught up in the sticker... I can have just as much fun in intermediate as I can advanced. sometimes more if the right people are in it! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rusty Posted February 1, 2016 Report Share Posted February 1, 2016 Jesus people take a chill pill. For example Jester, we know how you ride and you did more than 5 days in last 2 years,you will be in A We know who is A and who is not. This is more towards intermediate riders who sign up to A when intermediate was full. Same for riders who go to intermediate and not on pace some off them maybe go back to novice. There is no 2 x35 riders groups in intermediate . Even if you can sign up only to intermediate, if we know you and how you ride we can change your status at registration. If we don't know you grab coach for evaluation, and next session you can be bump up if you pass. Because you novice racer and riding in A with other organizations means nothing,I know plenty people who been riding only at their home track,and when they finally go somewhere else they been at bottom in intermediate. I see plenty guys at PIR with n2 who shouldn't be in A. You guys over thinking this Previous years if you been in A with midohio,and stt and you were new to N2 you have to go through evaluation to get to A.same is now at midohio. Pretty simple. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rusty Posted February 1, 2016 Report Share Posted February 1, 2016 If anybody still don't understand and have questions pm me for my phone #,and I explain over the phone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jester_ Posted February 1, 2016 Report Share Posted February 1, 2016 Thanks for the clarification Rusty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonStopable Posted February 1, 2016 Report Share Posted February 1, 2016 Yeah but....Ryan's body position is horrible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rusty Posted February 1, 2016 Report Share Posted February 1, 2016 10 minutes ago, RonStopable said: Yeah but....Ryan's body position is horrible And yours is better?lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonStopable Posted February 1, 2016 Report Share Posted February 1, 2016 Nope not at all Just a little inside joke between Dan, Ryan and I about something that happened at Road Atlanta last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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