Helmutt Posted January 2, 2017 Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 Never bought/sold a non-titled bike before, and not entirely sure how those are typically handled. Bill of sale stating the vin, year, make, etc? Does it even matter since it's "as is"? I've got a lead on a really good deal, and thinking of picking it up to pass along to someone who's in the market for a trackbike. BACKSTORY -- Ultra low mileage bike, all stock, no title......the guy selling it bought it dirt cheap from the po's widow, and now his wife isn't forgiving him for it.....so he needs it gone asap. The kicker is he, nor the widow, has any knowledge of the bike's origins and neither have pursued trying to title it. Should this concern me at all? Would a vin trace even matter at this point since it would be bought/sold as a non-titled trackbike? I assume I should trace the vin anyway to ensure it's a dead title... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonik Posted January 2, 2017 Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 https://services.dps.ohio.gov/BMVOnlineServices/Search/Title 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helmutt Posted January 2, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 (edited) Thanks for the link. After posting this I plan to vincheck it anyway to be safe. Hopefully it's a clean check Edited January 2, 2017 by Hellmutt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jester_ Posted January 2, 2017 Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 Ron has some experience with vin searches, maybe he will chime in. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
durk Posted January 2, 2017 Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 I believe the VIN check Tonik posted is only Ohio. Here is another site to check I have used it a couple times. It goes through insurance records. https://www.nicb.org/theft_and_fraud_awareness/vincheck Good luck. Hope it all works out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helmutt Posted January 2, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 27 minutes ago, durk said: I believe the VIN check Tonik posted is only Ohio. Here is another site to check I have used it a couple times. It goes through insurance records. https://www.nicb.org/theft_and_fraud_awareness/vincheck Good luck. Hope it all works out. Thanks man. That's one site I'd found on a quick search too. I truly hope it's legit because the deal is absolutely stellar, but I'm torn on what to do if it's not. He's a good guy, isn't crooked in the least, and was just looking for a good trackbike himself when he picked it up...hence why he didn't care about the title situation. I'm not sure he can even get any action from the widow or not because 1) she already got her money out of him 2) he mentioned she was quickly liquidating assets to move away. If it's reported stolen or some other illegal status, I DEFINITELY wont buy it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonStopable Posted January 3, 2017 Report Share Posted January 3, 2017 (edited) Cycle Vin is the only reliable way to go as it gives title history etc. I checked NCIB as well as a few other free sites bike came up as not stolen etc. Lets just say it is not worth the hassle of dealing with the state police for purchasing/trying to sell stolen property. The frame was stolen 5 years prior to me purchasing it . I sold it, two years after the person that bought it from me was trying to sell it and the state police showed up at his door and seized the bike. I provided a notarized bill of sale with all my contact info so.....It came right back to me. It was very stressful trying to demonstrate that I had no knowledge that the frame was stolen which they didn't care as they took the whole bike. I had to provide phone records and text messages between the seller and myself and try and identify people from mug shots. It is amazing how shady some people can be. The guy you are purchasing it from my be a stand up person but that doesn't mean the person he bought it from was. Edited January 3, 2017 by RonStopable 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonStopable Posted January 3, 2017 Report Share Posted January 3, 2017 Also wanted to add NCIB is for vehicles not motorcycles boats and RVs. You want that info you gotta pay. That is how I found out about cycle vin. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jester_ Posted January 3, 2017 Report Share Posted January 3, 2017 As long as the vin isn't listed in the add you don't have much to worry about it don't think. Alot of track bikes were probably stolen at some point, of course most were just totaled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J_Copeland Posted January 3, 2017 Report Share Posted January 3, 2017 As long as the vin isn't listed in the add you don't have much to worry about it don't think. Alot of track bikes were probably stolen at some point, of course most were just totaled. Wait,what?A lot of trackbikes are stolen bikes?Sent from my SM-J700T using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jester_ Posted January 3, 2017 Report Share Posted January 3, 2017 Maybe not "alot" but I bet you would be surprised if you looked to see how many VINs were ground off in a paddock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J_Copeland Posted January 3, 2017 Report Share Posted January 3, 2017 Maybe not "alot" but I bet you would be surprised if you looked to see how many VINs were ground off in a paddock. That's kinda scary !My bikes all have titles in my or PO' s name.Sent from my SM-J700T using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jester_ Posted January 3, 2017 Report Share Posted January 3, 2017 My gsxr was BOS, no title was totaled in Tennesse and some how tuna got ahold of it. But my cbr had a title and my r6 is certificate of origin since it was never titled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkow97 Posted January 3, 2017 Report Share Posted January 3, 2017 Ron's experience is a scenario everyone should be aware of before purchasing without a title, but with that said, it is very difficult to prove what someone else knew, beyond a reasonable doubt. You want to avoid buying a stolen bike for ethical reasons, if not legal reasons, and the hassle would suck - but it's not terribly likely that you'd actually be convicted unless there were clear signs that you were intentionally ignorant of the bike's origin. I I have never seen a ground-off VIN plate at the track. Stolen or not, that's illegal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimTheAzn Posted January 3, 2017 Report Share Posted January 3, 2017 18 hours ago, Hellmutt said: I've got a lead on a really good deal, and thinking of picking it up to pass along to Tim ftfy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helmutt Posted January 3, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2017 13 hours ago, RonStopable said: Cycle Vin is the only reliable way to go as it gives title history etc. I checked NCIB as well as a few other free sites bike came up as not stolen etc. Lets just say it is not worth the hassle of dealing with the state police for purchasing/trying to sell stolen property. The frame was stolen 5 years prior to me purchasing it . I sold it, two years after the person that bought it from me was trying to sell it and the state police showed up at his door and seized the bike. I provided a notarized bill of sale with all my contact info so.....It came right back to me. It was very stressful trying to demonstrate that I had no knowledge that the frame was stolen which they didn't care as they took the whole bike. I had to provide phone records and text messages between the seller and myself and try and identify people from mug shots. It is amazing how shady some people can be. The guy you are purchasing it from my be a stand up person but that doesn't mean the person he bought it from was. 13 hours ago, RonStopable said: Also wanted to add NCIB is for vehicles not motorcycles boats and RVs. You want that info you gotta pay. That is how I found out about cycle vin. Thanks Ron. I appreciate all the insight. I'll use cycle vin to check it out, as well as Toniks link to cover my ass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helmutt Posted January 3, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2017 50 minutes ago, TimTheAzn said: ftfy Heeheehee.....just might do that if the deals ends up legit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimTheAzn Posted January 3, 2017 Report Share Posted January 3, 2017 12 minutes ago, Hellmutt said: Heeheehee.....just might do that if the deals ends up legit What kind of bike is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helmutt Posted January 3, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2017 2008 GSXR600 with less than 3k street miles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimTheAzn Posted January 3, 2017 Report Share Posted January 3, 2017 31 minutes ago, Hellmutt said: 2008 GSXR600 with less than 3k street miles Of all the bikes in the world ........................................................... GLWS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
what Posted January 3, 2017 Report Share Posted January 3, 2017 lol... tim, if the world keeps throwing you GIXXER 600s, you should probably just bend over and take it and live that GIXXER life. just think, with that titleless bike you could even join the local flock of squids during their nightly migrations and fit right in. you'd just have to stop by a BOSS store to pick up your new riding gear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimTheAzn Posted January 3, 2017 Report Share Posted January 3, 2017 11 minutes ago, what said: lol... tim, if the world keeps throwing you GIXXER 600s, you should probably just bend over and take it and live that GIXXER life. just think, with that titleless bike you could even join the local flock of squids during their nightly migrations and fit right in. you'd just have to stop by a BOSS store to pick up your new riding gear. Never buying a gsxr600 ever. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkow97 Posted January 3, 2017 Report Share Posted January 3, 2017 joking aside, I really liked the feel of the newer GSX-R models at the IMS. I have never been a fan of the "on top of" feeling the R6 provides. the GSX-R is a nice middleground between the the "in" feeling of a CBR and "on" feeling of an R6. I'm not anti kawasaki, Triumph, etc. - just not as big of a used market, it seems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimTheAzn Posted January 3, 2017 Report Share Posted January 3, 2017 5 minutes ago, redkow97 said: joking aside, I really liked the feel of the newer GSX-R models at the IMS. I have never been a fan of the "on top of" feeling the R6 provides. the GSX-R is a nice middleground between the the "in" feeling of a CBR and "on" feeling of an R6. I'm not anti kawasaki, Triumph, etc. - just not as big of a used market, it seems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jester_ Posted January 3, 2017 Report Share Posted January 3, 2017 Im the opposite where I ran a gsxr for 2 years and it was ok, but got on an R6 and loved the riding position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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