Mark1647545493 Posted August 2, 2007 Report Share Posted August 2, 2007 Here are the plans to do it..... Anyone up for the challenge? Water Power Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark1647545493 Posted August 2, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 2, 2007 Sorry Mods..... I guess I should have put this in the Tech section..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hot_wire Posted August 2, 2007 Report Share Posted August 2, 2007 To have combustion, you need a spark, oxygen, and a fuel. Is water the fuel in this system or did I misinterpret? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clifford Automotive Posted August 2, 2007 Report Share Posted August 2, 2007 To have combustion, you need a spark, oxygen, and a fuel. Is water the fuel in this system or did I misinterpret? lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rally Pat Posted August 2, 2007 Report Share Posted August 2, 2007 From what I read of that above, water is the fuel and the oxygen, which gets broken apart to oxygen and hydrogen. Communism worked in theory too... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hot_wire Posted August 2, 2007 Report Share Posted August 2, 2007 If I remember from chemistry, energy is REQUIRED to break water into hydrogen and oxygen. When hydrogen and oxygen rebond to create water, energy is released (the reaction powering current hydrogen cars) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark1647545493 Posted August 2, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 2, 2007 If I remember from chemistry, energy is REQUIRED to break water into hydrogen and oxygen. When hydrogen and oxygen rebond to create water, energy is released (the reaction powering current hydrogen cars) This is how it works.... DC current is used to separate the hydrogen and oxygen and then the hydrogen is used to power the car. The exhaust is water.... Watch the video...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark1647545493 Posted August 2, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 2, 2007 To have combustion, you need a spark, oxygen, and a fuel. Is water the fuel in this system or did I misinterpret? Your almost right... Hydrogen is the fuel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sciongirl Posted August 2, 2007 Report Share Posted August 2, 2007 this would be awesome... but then bottled water would spike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mensan Posted August 2, 2007 Report Share Posted August 2, 2007 This has been in practice for years. Tennessee State University had a car that held the speed record for a hydrogen powered car in 1991. You could never use tap water; there are too many impurities and inconsistencies. You should only use distilled water. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koolrayz Posted August 2, 2007 Report Share Posted August 2, 2007 takes more energy to break the covielent bond between the oxygen and hydrogen then you get from the hydrogen, given current methods. No prepetual motion machines yet LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datsunissan28 Posted August 2, 2007 Report Share Posted August 2, 2007 takes more energy to break the covielent bond between the oxygen and hydrogen then you get from the hydrogen, given current methods. No prepetual motion machines yet LOL In the document they never mention where the "chamber" gets it power to break the bonds in water. Unless they somehow invented a process that is more than 100% efficient they would need some outside power source still. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hot_wire Posted August 2, 2007 Report Share Posted August 2, 2007 takes more energy to break the covielent bond between the oxygen and hydrogen then you get from the hydrogen, given current methods. No prepetual motion machines yet LOL exactly. end of thread. way to pay attention in chemistry class. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rally Pat Posted August 2, 2007 Report Share Posted August 2, 2007 exactly. end of thread. way to pay attention in chemistry class. You guys didnt pay attention to anything in these links. Stanley Meyer invented an electrolysis method that used half an amp to create Hydrogen nearly instantly, effectively creating much more energy then it used. Search for Stanley Meyer on YouTube. Rumor has it he was murdered by the government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NTHER91 Posted August 2, 2007 Report Share Posted August 2, 2007 You guys didnt pay attention to anything in these links. Stanley Meyer invented an electrolysis method that used half an amp to create Hydrogen nearly instantly, effectively creating much more energy then it used. Search for Stanley Meyer on YouTube. Rumor has it he was murdered by the government. it wasnt the government it was the christian oil well owners Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorne Posted August 2, 2007 Report Share Posted August 2, 2007 In the document they never mention where the "chamber" gets it power to break the bonds in water. Unless they somehow invented a process that is more than 100% efficient they would need some outside power source still. Maybe my physics is rusty, But I thought you could never bee 100% efficient. Don't the laws of thermal dynamics deal with this? Also you can make hydrogen yourself at home kids. I did it a few times as a child just for shits and giggles. 9V battery + one of the 9v plugs with 2 wires coming off of it. + water yes tap water will work. Place leads in water not touching. Little bubbles will form on the leads. Those bubbles are hydrogen. if you use a glass test tube you can catch them. Just remeber it is lighter then air so any chance you give it to raise it will disappear pretty much in a instant. Now to test if you have captured any hydrogen . Ignight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark1647545493 Posted August 2, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 2, 2007 Maybe my physics is rusty, But I thought you could never bee 100% efficient. Don't the laws of thermal dynamics deal with this? Also you can make hydrogen yourself at home kids. I did it a few times as a child just for shits and giggles. 9V battery + one of the 9v plugs with 2 wires coming off of it. + water yes tap water will work. Place leads in water not touching. Little bubbles will form on the leads. Those bubbles are hydrogen. if you use a glass test tube you can catch them. Just remeber it is lighter then air so any chance you give it to raise it will disappear pretty much in a instant. Now to test if you have captured any hydrogen . Ignight. There's some videos on youtube of kids putting water in a balloon, energizing the water, then pops the balloon with a torch......... The hydrogen burns a nice blue flame for at least 30 seconds... Salt water works the best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPLN SUX Posted August 2, 2007 Report Share Posted August 2, 2007 Maybe my physics is rusty, But I thought you could never bee 100% efficient. Don't the laws of thermal dynamics deal with this? Also you can make hydrogen yourself at home kids. I did it a few times as a child just for shits and giggles. 9V battery + one of the 9v plugs with 2 wires coming off of it. + water yes tap water will work. Place leads in water not touching. Little bubbles will form on the leads. Those bubbles are hydrogen. if you use a glass test tube you can catch them. Just remeber it is lighter then air so any chance you give it to raise it will disappear pretty much in a instant. Now to test if you have captured any hydrogen . Ignight. in current theory, youre correct, 100% effiency is not possible. The common reason is friction. Friction will always scrub something. Teflon is the most frictionless surface we know of, and its own efficiencey is still only about 80%. Heres a fun brain teaser, if zero friction allows a moving object to continue moving across a plane forever without changin velocity, then how do you calculate %80 of "forever"? I always asked my teacher that... never could get a strait answer from him lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rally Pat Posted August 2, 2007 Report Share Posted August 2, 2007 in current theory, youre correct, 100% effiency is not possible. The common reason is friction. Friction will always scrub something. Teflon is the most frictionless surface we know of, and its own efficiencey is still only about 80%. Heres a fun brain teaser, if zero friction allows a moving object to continue moving across a plane forever without changin velocity, then how do you calculate %80 of "forever"? I always asked my teacher that... never could get a strait answer from him lol. .80x with x as the variable for forever. Good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draco-REX Posted August 3, 2007 Report Share Posted August 3, 2007 I saw a story on the water-powered car, and Hydrogen than made a really good point. You are taking energy in the form of electricity, to break down water, to then recombine, to make energy. You cannot create or destroy mater or energy. You also cannot be 100% efficient. SO the energy you get out of a hydrogen/oxygen reaction is going to be *LESS* than the energy you put into the equasion to split the hydrogen and oxygen in the first place. Why not remove the middle man and just use the energy in the form of electricity? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clifford Automotive Posted August 3, 2007 Report Share Posted August 3, 2007 Heres a fun brain teaser, if zero friction allows a moving object to continue moving across a plane forever without changin velocity, then how do you calculate %80 of "forever"? I always asked my teacher that... never could get a strait answer from him lol. where are you getting 80% from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s13 Posted August 3, 2007 Report Share Posted August 3, 2007 in current theory, youre correct, 100% effiency is not possible. The common reason is friction. Friction will always scrub something. Teflon is the most frictionless surface we know of, and its own efficiencey is still only about 80%. I believe thats where he got the 80% from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heelside1647545510 Posted August 3, 2007 Report Share Posted August 3, 2007 good idea, yet the gas companies wont let it become possible just like everything else Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hot_wire Posted August 3, 2007 Report Share Posted August 3, 2007 good idea, yet the gas companies wont let it become possible just like everything else It's all a conspiracy maaaan. they're after us http://cache.gizmodo.com/assets/resources/2007/05/steve-jobs-hippie.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AutoFreak57 Posted August 3, 2007 Report Share Posted August 3, 2007 you can't have 100% efficiency, not just because of friction, but also something else. It's either the first or second rule of thermodynamics....... but i either forgot everything from thermo or am too drunk to remember what it is or both Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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