airwg2189 Posted November 14, 2016 Report Share Posted November 14, 2016 This is probably an unpopular opinion, but if Washington wins out, they should get the 4th spot over OSU. Yep, I said it. The committee has stated that conference championships are weighted heavily. Assuming the cards fall into the 'perfect storm' scenario above, the committee would be giving the Big XII a second slap in the face from a couple years ago when Baylor (or TCU, depending on how you look at it) was red-hot but still left out due to not having a conference championship. That said, if Washington loses any games, or if Clemson -AND- Louisville lose any remaining scheduled games, or if Clemson or Louisville loses the ACC championship, tOSU is in. tOSU beats out the entire Big XII and Louisville both in SOS and quality wins/quality loss. Assuming Michigan beats tOSU, Alabama vs. Washington and Michigan vs. Clemson would be my playoff picks. If tOSU beats Michigan, then it would be Alabama vs. B1G champion and Washington vs. Clemson. Realistically though, I see at least one loss for one of the in-play teams still on the board at the hands of Team Chaos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJ Posted November 14, 2016 Report Share Posted November 14, 2016 T The committee has stated that conference championships are weighted heavily. Again, there is nothing saying that, it is just one of the criteria they use. Their official written criteria says that they can also ignore all that and put in 1 of the 4 best teams if that is what needs to happen. Please see my earlier post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BStowers023 Posted November 14, 2016 Report Share Posted November 14, 2016 I guess we will see how the rankings come out tomorrow night. But if Ohio State is sitting at #2 with a game against a likely top 5 Michigan team still left, I just don't see how the committee could drop them from 2 to 5. If that happens, might as well take the committee out of it and just reward the 4 highest ranked conference champions every year because if that's literally the be all end, then there is literally no reason for a committee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaddyBuiltRacing Posted November 14, 2016 Report Share Posted November 14, 2016 Again, there is nothing saying that, it is just one of the criteria they use. Their official written criteria says that they can also ignore all that and put in 1 of the 4 best teams if that is what needs to happen. Please see my earlier post. There may bot be anything "written" but it was tye committees argument 2 years ago against the b12. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJ Posted November 14, 2016 Report Share Posted November 14, 2016 There may bot be anything "written" but it was tye committees argument 2 years ago against the b12. It was the argument that their round robin losses hurt them without being able to decide who the true best team was and they had awful out of conference scheduling so there was nothing to compare them to. So they lost out on having a conference champion AND lost the strength of schedule argument. They were saying if you can't change your schedule, you at least need a champion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
o0n8 Posted November 14, 2016 Report Share Posted November 14, 2016 Spegiht out for the year with a broken collarbone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaddyBuiltRacing Posted November 14, 2016 Report Share Posted November 14, 2016 Here ya go: "Ohio State's performance in a 13th game gave them a quality win over a highly ranked team," said committee chairman Jeff Long on ESPN. Long on Big 12: "We were presented with co champions. In the other situations, we had definitive champions for that conference." From 2014, so now the committee is to go back, look like complete assholes and argue that OSU who didn't even win their division, let alone conference, is in over a conference champion, why? Quality loss and a resume of 12 games? I am one of the biggest OSU homers there is, but I have a real hard time justifying this outside of anything but tv ratings. SEC, ACC, B10, ACC all have conference championship games. 3 of those conferences are a shoe in to make the playoff. The B10 is the clusterfuck, you will have a 2 loss champion with a 1 loss "3rd place" team sitting at home whether that be Ohio State or Michigan. You now have to justify putting that team in ahead of the winner of the conference and another conference champion. That doesn't even count another 1 loss team such as Louisville who is sitting there making the same case as the 1 loss B10 school. Here's who the top 8 have left and some chaos may ensue Alabama: Chattanooga, Auburn, SEC Championship Game (my guess is LSU) Ohio State: @Michigan St, Michigan, B10 Championship Game (only if PSU loses) Louisville: @Houston, Kentucky (I think they lose 1 of these 2) ELIMINATED Michigan: Indiana, @Ohio State (I think they lose to Ohio State) ELIMINATED Clemson: @Wake Forest, South Carolina, ACC Championship (most likely against Va Tech) Wisconsin: @Purdue, Minnesota (B10 CCG) assuming they don't lose Washington: Arizona St, @Washington St (I think they lose this one) ELIMINATED Oklahoma: @West Virginia, Oklahoma State Penn State: @Rutgers, Michigan State, B10 CCG (I think PSU wins out regular season) West Virginia: Oklahoma, @Iowa State, Baylor (I think they lose to Oklahoma) ELIMINATED Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaddyBuiltRacing Posted November 14, 2016 Report Share Posted November 14, 2016 The best case scenarios for Ohio State are as follows OSU wins out, eliminating Michigan Houston beats Louisville, thus eliminating Louisville Wisconsin beats Penn State in B10 Championship game (OSU beat Wisky, makes em look better) Oklahoma beats West Virginia, B12 with a 2 loss champion, eliminated Washington State beats Washington, Pac12 with a 2 loss champion, eliminated If all of the above were to happen, i could realistically see the B10 getting 2 teams in. The winner of the conference championship game and OSU. Outside of that scenario, I don't see how it'll work out in OSU's favor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJ Posted November 14, 2016 Report Share Posted November 14, 2016 Here ya go: "Ohio State's performance in a 13th game gave them a quality win over a highly ranked team," said committee chairman Jeff Long on ESPN. Long on Big 12: "We were presented with co champions. In the other situations, we had definitive champions for that conference." From 2014, so now the committee is to go back, look like complete assholes and argue that OSU who didn't even win their division, let alone conference, is in over a conference champion, why? Quality loss and a resume of 12 games? I am one of the biggest OSU homers there is, but I have a real hard time justifying this outside of anything but tv ratings. You just proved my point with those quotes that it was a weak schedule then no champion to hang their hat on that caused the B12 to miss out, not the championship itself. why? Quality loss and a resume of 12 games? How about wins over 4 top 15 teams, and if OU and WI win out, wins over 2 top 10 teams that are conference champions, in their house. Louisville is out either way, their only good win is FSU. There is no way that the comittee will sit there and say "well OSU, is definitely one of the top 4 teams, but Washington won their conference, so lets go with them". Won't happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaddyBuiltRacing Posted November 14, 2016 Report Share Posted November 14, 2016 They had a champion, in fact they had 2 LOL. Ohio State will have absolutely no claim to a championship at all. That in the eyes of the committee is better than sharing the title? We shall see what happens in a few weeks, for now it makes great debates. Pick time!! #6 Louisville vs Houston #20 Washington State vs #12 Colorado #2 Ohio State vs Michigan State (I think this is a little closer than it should be due to shitty weather forecast) #8 Oklahoma vs #10 West Virginia (Shootout game) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BStowers023 Posted November 14, 2016 Report Share Posted November 14, 2016 The best case scenarios for Ohio State are as follows OSU wins out, eliminating Michigan Houston beats Louisville, thus eliminating Louisville Wisconsin beats Penn State in B10 Championship game (OSU beat Wisky, makes em look better) Oklahoma beats West Virginia, B12 with a 2 loss champion, eliminated Washington State beats Washington, Pac12 with a 2 loss champion, eliminated If all of the above were to happen, i could realistically see the B10 getting 2 teams in. The winner of the conference championship game and OSU. Outside of that scenario, I don't see how it'll work out in OSU's favor. But if the committee is just worried about whether you're a conference champion or not, then why is there a committee? Why not just take the top 4 conference champions from the AP poll and call it a day? If your argument is that those conference champions had to play an extra game, what about the fact that Clemson played South Carolina State (FCS) and Washington played Portland State (FCS) which are both essentially scrimmages and really shouldn't even count. So now that we have determined that at best Clemson, Washington and Ohio State will have all played 12 FBS teams let's compare their resume's... Clemson will have 2, potentially 3 ranked wins if VT can manage to sneak back into the tail end of the top 25. Not one of which being a top 10 team and their loss was against an unranked Pitt team AT HOME. Washington will have beaten 3 ranked teams one of which being a likely top 10 team in Colorado and their loss being against a top 15 USC team AT HOME. Ohio State will have 4 ranked wins, 3 of which being Top 10 teams and their loss being on the road to a top 10 Penn State team. Please, PLEASE explain to me HOW is LOGICALLY makes sense to put EITHER of those teams in the playoff over the Buckeyes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airwg2189 Posted November 14, 2016 Report Share Posted November 14, 2016 Let's just all agree that this season is proof that this shit should have been 8 teams from the beginning. With 5 top conferences, I'd like to know what the hell they were thinking. Theoretical 8-team playoff bracket, given tOSU beats Michigan and WVU beats Oklahoma, all others win out. Wisconsin wins B1G: Alabama vs. Michigan Washington vs. Wisconsin Clemson vs. West Virginia Ohio State vs. Louisville Undefeated Western Michigan goes to a NYE6 bowl, cited reason for not having played any ranked teams all year. It doesn't get much more perfect than an 8-team playoff this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaddyBuiltRacing Posted November 14, 2016 Report Share Posted November 14, 2016 But if the committee is just worried about whether you're a conference champion or not, then why is there a committee? Why not just take the top 4 conference champions from the AP poll and call it a day? If your argument is that those conference champions had to play an extra game, what about the fact that Clemson played South Carolina State (FCS) and Washington played Portland State (FCS) which are both essentially scrimmages and really shouldn't even count. So now that we have determined that at best Clemson, Washington and Ohio State will have all played 12 FBS teams let's compare their resume's... Clemson will have 2, potentially 3 ranked wins if VT can manage to sneak back into the tail end of the top 25. Not one of which being a top 10 team and their loss was against an unranked Pitt team AT HOME. Washington will have beaten 3 ranked teams one of which being a likely top 10 team in Colorado and their loss being against a top 15 USC team AT HOME. Ohio State will have 4 ranked wins, 3 of which being Top 10 teams and their loss being on the road to a top 10 Penn State team. Please, PLEASE explain to me HOW is LOGICALLY makes sense to put EITHER of those teams in the playoff over the Buckeyes? I'm not on the committee, but if they have shown anything it's that they put value in to conference championships. They are also the same committee that put Texas A&M #4 for shock value in my opinion. I have a feeling OSU could be used the same way. I would not be shocked to see OSU #4 in playoff rankings tomorrow night, putting them right in line to be knocked out after the conference championships are played. I believe they have a committee in place, in case a scenario would arise where you have all power 5 conferences with undefeated teams. I also think it is to appease those who bitched about the BCS which I was not against honestly. I think only once or twice maybe, did that system really fail. I totally agree that this year has proven that the playoff needed to be 8 teams to begin with. I argued that from day 1. If the season were to end right now (using AP Poll) these are the match up's we'd have in playoffs 1. Alabama vs 8. Oklahoma 2. Ohio State vs 7. Washington 3. Louisville vs 6 Wisconsin 4. Clemson vs 5. Michigan For what it's worth, I believe OSU is a top 4 team in the country. I just think the committee fucked up 2 years ago when they gave their reasoning for why the B12 was left out. I am not confident that they will go back on their reasoning two years later and have a bad look from the public and college football world. Expand to 8 and this whole argument goes out the window Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airwg2189 Posted November 14, 2016 Report Share Posted November 14, 2016 For what it's worth, I believe OSU is a top 4 team in the country. I just think the committee fucked up 2 years ago when they gave their reasoning for why the B12 was left out. I am not confident that they will go back on their reasoning two years later and have a bad look from the public and college football world. Expand to 8 and this whole argument goes out the window 100% agreed, and that's why I don't think we'll see tOSU in without some help from Team Chaos. Baylor (or TCU, depending on how you look at it) were dominating and had several ranked wins. They made a massive statement by taking Ohio State. Had the Wisconsin game not happened, we definitely wouldn't have been in. I think we'll see a similar situation here. If Washington wins out and doesn't look like shit, they get the nod in my book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJ Posted November 15, 2016 Report Share Posted November 15, 2016 Again, the conference championship statement had to do with strength of schedule. TCU and Baylor both had HORRID schedules ( Baylor ~65, TCU ~85) and did nothing to separate themselves. OSU's giant victory over a highly ranked team improved their SOS and separated them. This year Ohio State has a top 5 SOS and even better after Michigan, even without the championship game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaddyBuiltRacing Posted November 15, 2016 Report Share Posted November 15, 2016 I saw somewhere that ESPN has OSU's SOS in the 40s which made me laugh a little. "The graphic on ESPN comparing our schedule strength with Washington showed our SoS as 42nd in the nation. Now, I have no problem with Washington ahead right now in playoff rankings, they have looked good and it will take care of itself. But seriously, 42?!?" Others have OSU as high as 5 and as low as 23 The conference championship statement had nothing to do with SOS, it had everything to do with OSU playing an extra game while the B12 sat at home without a conference championship game. If we're going of SOS and conference champions, Penn State is in with a win lol. They are #4 in SOS on one of the pages. Pretty good article regarding the mess that is the playoff http://www.foxsports.com/college-football/story/ohio-state-s-college-football-playoff-odds-after-michigan-s-loss-111316 "Could Ohio State slip into the college football playoff without winning the conference title? One thing that the playoff committee really values is conference championships." It's a very interesting situation, one that is going to leave someone really mad and arguing that their team should've been in the mix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaddyBuiltRacing Posted November 15, 2016 Report Share Posted November 15, 2016 "5 losses in 5 years and Urban may only win the BIG once in that time" Stop and think about that for a second... Michigan State has ruined OSU twice, maybe they will help OSU this year and beat PSU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lauren Posted November 15, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 15, 2016 See I like the four team playoff. It makes weekends like last weekend so amazing. With an 8 team playoff it makes losing ok where's with four teams it literally can end your season with one loss and to who that loss was. Josh you have presented my point in a good way. Thanks for your detailed posts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJ Posted November 15, 2016 Report Share Posted November 15, 2016 Again, it had everything to do with SOS. It gave Ohio State a blowout win against #11. The 13th game comment is allowing Ohio State the chance to increase their SOS by playing that 13th game. Their SOS before that game was like 80, after it was in the low 30's. TCU and Baylor's did not change. The committee has said NOTHING about valuing a conference championship over a dominant team with a good SOS. That part is an unknown, they have only had to take conference champs so far. What we do know is that they use an opponent wins metric along with ranking etc to create their SOS. Their job is to pick the 4 best teams, not slot the conference champs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Posted November 15, 2016 Report Share Posted November 15, 2016 I see you have zero understanding of football and just a buckeye homer. The CFP weighs conference championships as the first and most important part What would you like me to spell out for you... In the CFP guaranteed if they win out. I will keep it short to save you from learning anything other then what you need to know. Win out and In. Bank it. No amount of SEC blah blah blah, PAC 12, Big 12, champs wah wah wah. Also the committee and pundits like the new term "quality loss" as if to vindicate a generation of participation trophies for their privilege. However OSU did loose to PSU, no bones. But frankly they lost a close game on a stastically rare play...Had that not happened they win and we just say well, lets try harder. The committee will look at this loss as nothing more then just a road bump, coasting over it to send OSU to the CFP. MONEY IN THE BANK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lauren Posted November 15, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 15, 2016 Shouldn't one of the top four teams be a conference champion? I mean if you can't even win your conference why should you be allowed to play for a national title. I think Bon conference losses are much better the. Conference losses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaddyBuiltRacing Posted November 15, 2016 Report Share Posted November 15, 2016 There's no arguing against the fact that OSU is a top 4 team in terms of on the field play against good competition. The argument is are they are top 4 team for the playoff and if conference championships mean nothing, then why even have them? A team could be undefeated in their conference, lose their conference championship game and be eliminated from the playoff. That doesn't seem very fair to me... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJ Posted November 15, 2016 Report Share Posted November 15, 2016 No. It should be one of the 4 best teams. They are not the "Slot the Conference Champs Committee". Get that through your head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJ Posted November 15, 2016 Report Share Posted November 15, 2016 There's no arguing against the fact that OSU is a top 4 team in terms of on the field play. The argument is are they are top 4 team for the playoff and if conference championships mean nothing, then why even have them? A team could be undefeated in their conference, lose their conference championship game and be eliminated from the playoff. That doesn't seem very fair to me... It doesn't mean "nothing". Its a quality win on a schedule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaddyBuiltRacing Posted November 15, 2016 Report Share Posted November 15, 2016 If I were on the committee my playoff teams would be 1. Bama 2. Ohio State 3. Clemson 4. Wisconsin (if they beat PSU) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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