MidgetTodd Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 Is worth response. I agree with Shawn, if I have draw on someone I'm gonna finish the job. In this situation they are both fucktards and don't see why scruit is still going on about it but yes .....if you're gonna shoot , shoot till the threat is no longer a threat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scruit Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 Is worth response. I agree with Shawn, if I have draw on someone I'm gonna finish the job. In this situation they are both fucktards and don't see why scruit is still going on about it but yes .....if you're gonna shoot , shoot till the threat is no longer a threat.There was no threat. It wasn't a threat at 33/42, and it should never have reached 23/William. His football history will not suddenly make it a threat.Don't forget in this instance we are talking about a guy following someone into a parking lot, taking time to park the bike, set the kickstand, get off the bike and approach the other car shooting into the vehicle while the guy had his hands up? How would "make sure he's dead" help out here? In general "shoot until the threat is removed" is the correct approach, but there must be a threat to begin with. Going the extra step of making sure the victim is dead won't make a bad shoot into a good shoot.And I'm "still going on about it" because it happened in my 'hood, I'm a regular at the store it went down outside of, and I know the folks who work there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadTrainDriver Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 Is worth response. I agree with Shawn, if I have draw on someone I'm gonna finish the job. In this situation they are both fucktards and don't see why scruit is still going on about it but yes .....if you're gonna shoot , shoot till the threat is no longer a threat.You totally contradict yourself.You say they are both fucktards, but yet you agree that "the job should be finished".Are you saying you support murder, or are you saying this shooting shouldn't have happened in the first place?If it's the latter, then you've got to agree with Scruit...the comment that he should have killed him was pretty fucking stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buildit Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 You totally contradict yourself.You say they are both fucktards, but yet you agree that "the job should be finished".Are you saying you support murder, or are you saying this shooting shouldn't have happened in the first place?If it's the latter, then you've got to agree with Scruit...the comment that he should have killed him was pretty fucking stupid.He's trolling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohiomike Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 I remember watching a TV show some time back where a man's wife had been shot and killed by some asshat who was caught and arrested. As the police escorted the shooter through a public area on his way to jail, the woman's husband was on a pay phone along the path the police were taking. As the group passed the husband, he dropped the phone, whirled around, and shot the shooter dead in his tracks whereupon he dropped his weapon and raised his hands. I can full understand the husbands plight and reaction because I would do the same. This road rage situation might be similar-the biker was cut off by the pu driver, maybe nearly killing the biker, who knows. This biker has had this happen enough over time that this time he snaps, and says 'enough'. Surely not justification in a legal sense, but in the bikers mind, 'who cares, this sob pays' type of thinking.....almost like temporary insanity kind of stuff. After driving and riding up in that area or anywhere in or around Columbus I can sure see how this could happen. Very heavy traffic counts full of drivers obviously not paying much if any attention to the road.As I understand it, both parties are at least partially at fault with the biker getting hammered the hardest by the judge.The most intriguing part is seeing whether the biker, an apparently idolized OSU football alumni, gets what's coming to him legally, or whether this all just becomes a footnote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buildit Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 I remember watching a TV show some time back where a man's wife had been shot and killed by some asshat who was caught and arrested. As the police escorted the shooter through a public area on his way to jail, the woman's husband was on a pay phone along the path the police were taking. As the group passed the husband, he dropped the phone, whirled around, and shot the shooter dead in his tracks whereupon he dropped his weapon and raised his hands. I can full understand the husbands plight and reaction because I would do the same. This road rage situation might be similar-the biker was cut off by the pu driver, maybe nearly killing the biker, who knows. This biker has had this happen enough over time that this time he snaps, and says 'enough'. Surely not justification in a legal sense, but in the bikers mind, 'who cares, this sob pays' type of thinking.....almost like temporary insanity kind of stuff. After driving and riding up in that area or anywhere in or around Columbus I can sure see how this could happen. Very heavy traffic counts full of drivers obviously not paying much if any attention to the road.As I understand it, both parties are at least partially at fault with the biker getting hammered the hardest by the judge.The most intriguing part is seeing whether the biker, an apparently idolized OSU football alumni, gets what's coming to him legally, or whether this all just becomes a footnote.I think you have encapsulated the thoughts of many of us here. Trouble is without knowing the full story it is all speculation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scruit Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 I remember watching a TV show some time back where a man's wife had been shot and killed by some asshat who was caught and arrested.This one? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSQNd9rsAbMhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Plauche Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidgetTodd Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 And I'm "still going on about it" because it happened in my 'hood, I'm a regular at the store it went down outside of, and I know the folks who work there.You really should move to a safer neighborhood Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidgetTodd Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 He's trolling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BDBGoalie Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 (edited) I don't know if anyone has mentioned this yet, But think about how different the story would be if stillwagon had killed this guy. The story would read, "OSU great takes out baby killer in self defense shooting." That would be the end of the story. The lesson here? Don't shoot someone in self defense to maim them, shoot to kill them. Dead men tell no tales.I agree with you in principal. Only shoot if there is no other option and when you do, shoot to kill.However, there was no way to consider this self defense. And "dead men tell no tales" doesn't matter when the shooting takes place on a major thoroughfare in the middle of Sunday afternoon traffic. Witnesses galore. Edited October 3, 2012 by BDBGoalie Grammar fail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wht_scorpion Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 There was no threat. It wasn't a threat at 33/42, and it should never have reached 23/William. His football history will not suddenly make it a threat.Don't forget in this instance we are talking about a guy following someone into a parking lot, taking time to park the bike, set the kickstand, get off the bike and approach the other car shooting into the vehicle while the guy had his hands up? How would "make sure he's dead" help out here? In general "shoot until the threat is removed" is the correct approach, but there must be a threat to begin with. Going the extra step of making sure the victim is dead won't make a bad shoot into a good shoot.And I'm "still going on about it" because it happened in my 'hood, I'm a regular at the store it went down outside of, and I know the folks who work there.Their could be a threat maybe the guy was having motorcycle issues and the guy in the truck was riding his ass so he felt threat that some dude prick was going to run him over. Because he was driven to slow on the bike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadTrainDriver Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 Their could be a threat maybe the guy was having motorcycle issues and the guy in the truck was riding his ass so he felt threat that some dude prick was going to run him over. Because he was driven to slow on the bike.What?BMW's don't have issues... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jporter12 Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 What?BMW's don't have issues... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max power Posted October 4, 2012 Report Share Posted October 4, 2012 Seriously? This tripe is not even worth a response.Calm down, Francis, its not tripe. Im pointing out that the media can report this story many different ways. Dont believe every thing they tell you. And, yeah, if you are gonna pull a gun in self defense, complete the task. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scruit Posted October 4, 2012 Report Share Posted October 4, 2012 And, yeah, if you are gonna pull a gun in self defense, complete the task.If you are going to pull a gun in self defense then stop the threat. If he dies then so be it. Does "complete the task" then would you continue shooting once he was incapacitated? Go up to him while he's lying on the floor and shoot a couple more times? If you ever follow through on your apparent plan to execute the bad guy after he's incapacitated then you're gonna wind up with a murder charge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad324 Posted October 4, 2012 Report Share Posted October 4, 2012 Nope....just aim better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max power Posted October 4, 2012 Report Share Posted October 4, 2012 If you are going to pull a gun in self defense then stop the threat. If he dies then so be it. Does "complete the task" then would you continue shooting once he was incapacitated? Go up to him while he's lying on the floor and shoot a couple more times? If you ever follow through on your apparent plan to execute the bad guy after he's incapacitated then you're gonna wind up with a murder charge. are you always so fucking uptight? Wait, cameras everywhere, trust issues with your kid and society in general, videotape every ride, displaying major paranoia regurlarly.....nevermind. answered my own question. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohiomike Posted October 4, 2012 Report Share Posted October 4, 2012 This one? Father Shoots Child Molester - YouTubehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_PlaucheNo but eerily similar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scruit Posted October 4, 2012 Report Share Posted October 4, 2012 are you always so fucking uptight? Wait, cameras everywhere, trust issues with your kid and society in general, videotape every ride, displaying major paranoia regurlarly.....nevermind. answered my own question.Wait, so are you saying you were joking now?The difference between you and I is an appropriate understanding of the law. You're probably one of those folks who advise people; "put a knife from your kitchen in his hand" or "drag the bad guy into your house" after a self-defense shooting. (Oh, and I am acutely aware that forums are public and any conversation here could wind up in the prosecutor's hands. That unrepentant asseveration that the BG must die rather than just be stopped could come back to haunt you) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidgetTodd Posted October 4, 2012 Report Share Posted October 4, 2012 Pitch Forks and Tin Foil Hats are the new black Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KZ900 Posted October 4, 2012 Report Share Posted October 4, 2012 (edited) ... Edited November 13, 2012 by KZ900 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scruit Posted October 4, 2012 Report Share Posted October 4, 2012 The one guy killed a 3 year old I heard is was a 3-month old who died from shaking injuries sustained while in his care? Still, DB #1and the other fires shots from a motorcycle without regard for anyone around him.DB #2. They are perfect for each other. They should share the same cell. They are both idiots and I could really care less what happens to them. After 14 miles you'd think one of them would have cooled down and left, but no - sustained mutual asshattery.(#could NOT care less. Coudl care less means you care at least a little bit - could NOT care less means that you do not care at all)If you use your vehicle as a weapon be prepared as the other guy might be packing and is going to shoot you. When a guy starts break checking you and trying to hit you with his vehicle get out of the way. Call the Police. It's not been determined for sure is there was any backing up done. DB2 says yes, DB1 says no. I wanna hear what the numerous witnesses say.If the pickup DID back up to strike (or even just to pretend to strike) the bike then pickup driver needs a Felonious Assault charge too. DB1 says the shooter was shouting "you're gonna die" as he was shooting. If the witnesses confirm that then the shooter needs to be charged with attempted murder*brakeIf the vehicle was messed up why was he driving it and why weren't the hazards on?Good point. I wonder if there are any witnesses to any part of the 14 miles before the 23 off-ramp. Was it truly a mutual game of one-upmanship like the police are saying, or was it all on the biker like the pickup driver claims. The biker is wisely keeping his mouth shut right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brownsfan1 Posted October 4, 2012 Report Share Posted October 4, 2012 One word asshats Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mary#17 Posted October 4, 2012 Report Share Posted October 4, 2012 They both sound like turds. Shame they didn't take each other out and do the rest of us a favor. Mary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max power Posted October 4, 2012 Report Share Posted October 4, 2012 Wait, so are you saying you were joking now?The difference between you and I is an appropriate understanding of the law. You're probably one of those folks who advise people; "put a knife from your kitchen in his hand" or "drag the bad guy into your house" after a self-defense shooting. (Oh, and I am acutely aware that forums are public and any conversation here could wind up in the prosecutor's hands. That unrepentant asseveration that the BG must die rather than just be stopped could come back to haunt you)Your paranoia is showing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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