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i feel like i NEED to post this enlightenment of recent happenings. most of us should know this, those who dont, will learn. most of us SHOULD use this, when a lot dont. pace: a : rate of movement; especially : an established rate of locomotion b : rate of progress; specifically : parallel rate of growth or development <supplies kept pace with demand> c : an example to be emulated; specifically : first place in a competition <three strokes off the pace — Time> d (1) : rate of performance or delivery : tempo <a steady pace> <on pace to set a record>; especially : speed <serves with great pace> <a pace bowler in cricket> (2) : rhythmic animation : fluency <writes with color, with zest, and with pace — Amy Loveman> this is the definition of pace. youve got yours, and the group or leader may have their own. do not breech your pace, unless your feeling like trying to excel a little better, but do it at YOUR OWN RISK. your wrist controls the throttle, no one else's. in turn your life is in your own hands. if your riding with a group or person that is too fast and you feel uncomfortable then SLOW DOWN OR STOP, move to the back of the group!! or you WILL get hurt. the group WILL wait for you, if they dont, then you shouldnt be riding with those assholes anyway. i can honestly not stress how important your comfort zone is when doing anything on a motorcycle. a motorcycle is not a toy. it is a machine built to go fast and handle exceptional, in the correct hands with the correct rider. you wanna go fuck around, have at it, do it on your own time. PACE! stay in your comfort zone, not in someone else's. i was lucky to get up and walk away when i wrecked. it was my fault, not leaders. im happy, privileged! to have wrecked. why? because it taught me an important lesson. since that day i have never respected my machine, and the sport, more then ever. i rode the shit out of that bike, and guess what? it bit back. long story made short: we will not make fun of you for being less skilled. ill have more respect to the rider that tells me they cant handle the pace, then the rider that tries and fails. go no further then your comfort zone, its different for every single one of us. just please dont get hurt. and again, anything that happens to you, is not the leaders fault, only yours for not following a few simple rules on a moto. i love this family we have here, we need to stay safe.

I'll admit I didn't read all 300 posts on this thread. I started to, but quickly realized most posts were back and forth bitching... The WHOLE POINT of why this is wrong, and how this is just another example of our rights slowly eroding away, is in the last paragraph of the provided link. Chief Reiss added: “With carrying a firearm openly, there also comes responsibility with that. People should realize that they may, given a certain set of circumstances, draw the attention of law enforcement. A responsible person would just identify themselves if there’s a brief check to be done and then they would be on their way.” It is LEGAL to open carry, this we all know. It is ILLEGAL for police to stop, question, and detain you without proper cause. A phone call to 911 saying someone is walking around with a gun on their hip is the same as someone calling 911 and saying someone is walking down the street with their hands in their pockets. It's LEGAL!! Point #2, and remember, this is the Chief of Police talking, so this is what is being taught to the lower level officers. But Riverside police Chief Mark Reiss said his officers acted correctly and all Call had to do was cooperate. “Had he been truthful with the police and simply provided his identification so that they could have quickly ran it, that encounter would have been over very quickly, within a minute or two,” Reiss said. That is a God damn big NEGATIVE! What "probable cause" did the officers have to stop, question, and detain Mr.Call OUTSIDE of the initial phone call and report? Did the officers WITNESS Mr.Call doing something suspicious(besides walking around with his gun on his hip, which is perfectly legal)? It sure doesn't sound like it to me. Lastly, the final quote from the Chief of Police. “Given the time of the day, the location, and the fact that convenience store/gas stations are typical targets for robberies in the middle of the night,” Reiss said. “It would seem reasonable in the eyes of a police officer to ask someone who was carrying a gun if it was legally permissible for them to do so.” Another big ass NEGATIVE, and another way the lower level police officers are being taught incorrectly. Time of day, location, the fact that it was a gas station...it doesn't fucking matter! Same as it doesn't matter if it's raining outside, or if the man was African American...none of that is a reason for probable cause for a stop, question, and detain. Personally, you may not agree with what I'm saying, and personally, maybe you'd never open carry...so this won't apply to you, and that's fine...you have that choice... BUT WHAT YOU NEED TO REALIZE, WHETHER YOU AGREE WITH IT OR NOT, IS THAT THIS IS JUST ANOTHER RIGHT THAT'S BEING TAKEN AWAY, AND BEING TAUGHT TO BE TAKEN AWAY, FROM THE VERY TOP OF THE POLICE CHAIN OF COMMAND! IF NO ONE STANDS UP FOR OUR RIGHTS, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM WILL BE GONE BEFORE WE KNOW IT! There is nothing more to argue or debate, that's it. Those are the facts as we know it. I hope Mr.Call get's paid big time, and I hope several officers get fired.

As a former law enforcement officer and current concealed carry holder I see this from both sides. I worked in the low income housing unit so I understand the area. In our area it was definitely frowned upon to open carry. There is no doubt he would be stopped and questioned. Now with that said, we knew the law. We also had a mind set of just because of the area we were in, you respected everyone until disrespected. Even then you showed respect, which went a long way. I hate that everyone gets as long as they want to take apart a situation and decision that an officer has seconds to make. Not every call made in real life is going to be the correct one. And some of this goes to how the department has its policies set, and training. I think if you pose the question, can you open carry in Ohio? Yes. Can you expect to get the same response out of all police agencies? No. Does this guy deserve $3.6m? That's for a Judge and jury of his peers to decide. It seems as if the current amount of information is a little lacking to make either party wrong or right, but I lean more toward the rights of the person. That's what makes America what it is.

A little more in depth "September 21, 2006 By Nick Ienatsch Racing involves speed, concentration and commitment; the results of a mistake are usually catastrophic because there's little room for error riding at 100 percent. Performance street riding is less intense and further from the absolute limit, but because circumstances are less controlled, mistakes and over aggressiveness can be equally catastrophic. Plenty of roadracers have sworn off street riding. "Too dangerous, too many variables and too easy to get carried away with too much speed," track specialists claim. Adrenaline-addled racers find themselves treating the street like the track, and not surprisingly, they get burned by the police, the laws of physics and the cold, harsh realities of an environment not groomed for ten-tenths riding. But as many of us know, a swift ride down a favorite road may be the finest way to spend a few free hours with a bike we love. And these few hours are best enjoyed riding at The Pace. A year after I joined Motorcyclist staff in 1984, Mitch Boehm was hired. Six months later, The Pace came into being, and we perfected it during the next few months of road testing and weekend fun rides. Now The Pace is part of my life - and a part of the Sunday morning riding group I frequent. The Pace is a street riding technique that not only keeps street riders alive, but thoroughly entertained as well. THE PACE The Pace focuses on bike control and de-emphasizes outright speed. Full-throttle acceleration and last minute braking aren't part of the program, effectively eliminating the two most common single-bike accident scenarios in sport riding. Cornering momentum is the name of the game, stressing strong, forceful inputs at the handlebar to place the bike correctly at the entrance of the turn and get it flicked in with little wasted time and distance. Since the throttle wasn't slammed open at the exit of the last corner, the next corner doesn't require much, if any, braking. It isn't uncommon to ride with our group and not see a brake light flash all morning. If the brakes are required, the front lever gets squeezed smoothly, quickly and with a good deal of force to set entrance speed in minimum time. Running in on the brakes is tantamount to running off the road, a confession that you're pushing too hard and not getting your entrance speed set early enough because you stayed on the gas too long. Running The Pace decreases your reliance on the throttle and brakes, the two easiest controls to abuse, and hones your ability to judge cornering speed, which is the most thrilling aspect of performance street riding. YOUR LANE IS YOUR LIMIT Crossing the centerline at any time except during a passing maneuver is intolerable, another sign that you're pushing too hard to keep up. Even when you have a clean line of sight through a left-hand kink, stay to the right of the centerline. Staying on the right side of the centerline is much more challenging than simply straightening every slight corner, and when the whole group is committed to this intelligent practice, the temptation to cheat is eliminated through peer pressure and logic. Though street riding shouldn't be described in racing terms, you can think of your lane as the race track. Leaving your lane is tantamount to a crash. Exact bike control has you using every inch of your lane if the circumstances permit it. In corners with a clear line of sight and no oncoming traffic, enter at the far outside of the corner, turn the bike relatively late in the corner to get a late apex at the far inside of your lane and accelerate out, just brushing the far outside of your lane as your bike stands up. Steer your bike forcefully but smoothly to minimize the transition time. Don't hammer it down because the chassis will bobble slightly as it settles, possibly carrying you off line. Since you haven't charged in on the brakes, you can get the throttle on early, before the apex, which balances and settles your bike for the drive out. More often than not, circumstances do not permit the full use of your lane from yellow line to white line and back again. Blind corners, oncoming traffic and gravel on the road are a few criteria that dictate a more conservative approach, so leave yourself a three or four foot margin for error, especially at the left side of the lane where errant oncoming traffic could prove fatal. Simply narrow your entrance on a blind right-harder and move your apex into your lane three feet on blind left turns in order to stay free of unseen oncoming traffic hogging the centerline. Because you're running at The Pace and not flat out, your controlled entrances offer additional time to deal with unexpected gravel or other debris in your lane; the outside wheel track is usually the cleanest through a dirty corner since a car weights its outside tires most, scrubbing more dirt off the pavement in the process, so aim for that line. A GOOD LEADER, WILLING FOLLOWERS The street is not a racing environment, and it takes humility, self assurance and self control to keep it that way. The leader sets the pace and monitors his mirrors for signs of raggedness in the ranks that follow, such as tucking in on straights, crossing over the yellow line and hanging off the motorcycle in the corners, If the leader pulls away, he simply slows his straight way speed slightly but continues to enjoy the corners, thus closing the ranks but missing none of the fun. The small group of three or four riders I ride with is so harmonious that the pace is identical no matter who's leading. The lead shifts occasionally with a quick hand sign, but there's never a pass for the lead with an ego on the sleeve. Make no mistake, the riding is spirited and quick in the corners. Anyone with a right arm can hammer down the straights; it's proficiency in the corners that makes The Pace come alive. Following distances are relatively lengthy, with the straightaways taken at more moderate speeds, providing the perfect opportunity to adjust the gaps. Keeping a good distance serves several purposes, besides being safer. Rock chips are minimized, and the police or highway patrol won't suspect a race is in progress. The Pace's style of not hanging off in corners also reduces the appearance of pushing too hard and adds a degree of maturity and sensibility in the eyes of the public and the law. There's a definite challenge to cornering quickly while sitting sedately on your bike. New rider indoctrination takes some time because The Pace develops very high cornering speeds and newcomers want to hammer the throttle on the exits to make up for what they lose at the entrances. Our group slows drastically when a new rider joins the ranks because our technique of moderate straightaway speed and no brakes can suck the unaware into a corner too fast, creating the most common single bike accident. With a new rider learning The Pace behind you, tap your brake lightly well before the turn to alert him and make sure he understands there's no pressure to stay with the group. There's plenty of ongoing communication during The Pace. A foot off the peg indicates debris in the road, and all slowing or turning intentions are signaled in advance with the left hand and arm. Turn signals are used for direction changes and passing, with a wave of the left hand to thank the cars that move right and make it easy for motorcyclists to get past. Since you don't have a death grip on the handlebar, your left hand is also free to wave to oncoming riders, a fading courtesy that we'd like to see return. If you're getting the idea The Pace is a relaxing, noncompetitive way to ride with a group, you are right. RELAX AND FLICK IT I'd rather spend a Sunday in the mountains riding at The Pace than a Sunday at the racetrack, it's that enjoyable. Countersteering is the name of the game; smooth, forceful steering input at the handlebar relayed to the tires' contact patches through a rigid sport bike frame. Riding at The Pace is certainly what bike manufacturers had in mind when sport bikes evolved to the street. But the machine isn't the most important aspect of running The Pace because you can do it on anything capable of getting through a corner. Attitude is The Pace's most important aspect: realizing the friend ahead of you isn't a competitor, respecting his right to lead the group occasionally and giving him credit for his riding skills. You must have the maturity to limit your straightaway speeds to allow the group to stay in touch and the sense to realize that racetrack tactics such as late braking and full throttle runs to redline will alienate the public and police and possibly introduce you to the unforgiving laws of gravity. When the group arrives at the destination after running The Pace, no one feels outgunned or is left with the feeling he must prove himself on the return run. If you've got some thing to prove, get on a racetrack. The racetrack measures your speed with a stop watch and direct competition, welcoming your aggression and gritty resolve to be the best. Performance street riding's only yardstick is the amount of enjoyment gained, not lap times, finishing position or competitors beaten. The differences are huge but not always remembered by riders who haven't discovered The Pace's cornering pureness and group involvement. Hammer on the racetrack. Pace yourself on the street.-MC

If you guys want to be sheep and let Big Brother walk all over your rights then go right ahead but remember if it wasn't for people like this guy rallying and fighting for your rights in Columbus you would not have that CHL in your wallet. I fully support all of our officers they have a rough shitty job but I do not support officers on a power trip. Whether you agree with what he did or not the fact is he was 100% within his rights and if none of the officers knew that then shame on that department.

A more specific question to ask is, “if you’re not going to have one on, why run two separate lights instead of one bigger light?” Yamaha engineers have stated there are a few reasons for this: - It is cheaper to produce 2 single focus reflectors than 1 multi-focus reflector - With two lights, those single reflectors can be better optimized for their specific task - Better reflector optimization means the bulbs can be cheaper and use less power They have been asked about running two lights, and have referenced internal safety studies that show two lights being on at the same time can be mistaken for a car by a driver looking to pull onto a road at night. When a driver can only see headlights, they estimate distance based on the distance between the two headlights, misjudging a closer motorcycle for a car further away. As for the safety factor of running with your hi-beam on, it’s true that a brighter light makes you more visible in many situations, but not all situations. A misaligned hi-beam that is too bright during the day can actually reduce your visibility in certain driving scenarios. A hi-beam helps when the driver looking at the motorcycle has a darker background, such as when there is a building or trees behind the bike. When a motorcycle has a lighter background, such as the sky when coming over a hill, the hi-beam can actually cause the motorcycle to blend in with that brighter background. It’s also true that if a hi-beam is misaligned and shining upwards towards a driver’s eyes, the extra light can make it harder for a driver to judge the distance and speed of the motorcycle coming at them. The problem is that there are so many variables here, it can be shown that while these factors can contribute to specific accidents, when all accidents are considered, the average statistics that lead to one being better than the other can even out in many scenarios. Speaking of statistics, it is also important to note that most of the studies around hi-beam safety are now 30 years old. Lo-beams have improved with brighter and better bulbs, optimized reflectors and overall technology improvements. I ride with the hi-beam on my 1973 CB350F because it’s actually only as bright as the low-beam on my 2004 FZ6. In the end, it just means we can find reasons for both hi and low beams to be "the best strategy" in different situations. But they shouldn't be your only strategy, and combined with other factors like lane placement, hi-viz colors, SMIDSY maneuvers, etc, etc. That said, I did perform the dual-headlight mod on my FZ6 because I hate the asymmetry of having one light off.

I can bet I would of been disarmed, arrested, or detained. WHICH would of been unlawful, and would have ended with me seeking a lawyer. BUT I choose to act like a rational gun owner and respect the leo's concerns of the mwag call. It is all about mutual respect and I guess some people and leo's do not have that. Which is sad but true..

I can understand both sides of the story. Personally, when I'm stopped I tell them I have CCW, and I'll tell them whether or not I'm carrying. If asked for an ID, I'll produce it, If I'm on the bike, the helmet comes off and the hands go where they can be seen, same if I'm in the car. I don't open carry now but I don't have a problem with those who do. If I did, I would not have a problem with the police asking for my ID. I don't feel my rights are infringed in any way by my behavior. Reading these posts, I may be wrong, but I've been stopped many times carrying and not carrying, in the car, on the bike. I've never been hassled, arrested, detained, held, searched, cuffed, relieved of my pistol, profiled, or questioned. I would think that if I did not provide my ID after being asked for it then I expect all the above would have happened to me.

If I got pulled over I would simply give ID answer the officers questions and try not to fuel a hostile situation. If I refused to show i.d. acted like a tool and was detained I would most certainly not try to sue anyone..It is not being a sheep it is respecting leo in a job that sucks.

Ok so I've been smoking since I was 11 yrs old, I am 35 as of the other day, so doing the math that means I have been smoking for 24 years, and I have been smoking 2-3 packs a day for the past 3 or 4 years. Regardless what your thoughts are on smoking and why I should have never started to begin with isn't something I'm posting this for. Ive tried many different methods to quit, all have fail. Welbutrin was prescribed for my by the Navy flight surgeon during my second year check up, completely useless other then making one feel better about themselves. I've tried nicotine gum (tastes like shit imo), Nicotine patches (I can have one on and still smoke 1 and a half pack), as far as Chantix goes, I've got to many reservations on it. Hypnotism is something I didnt consider because I think its more of a fad then anything. I've been doing some homework on Vaporizer E-Cig's. So far I have managed to make it 56 hours without a cigarette. That's the longest I've managed to go without a cigarette on any of the other stop smoking aides. Has anyone else tried to stop smoking? Whats worked for you, what didn't work for you? I know a lot of people who say they quit cold turkey, and I have tried several times, I just cant do so. My will power sucks like hell. My ECig seems to do very well at curbing my cravings.

Get the 100 ready for me because I can. I'm short, very easy to tell difference. As for the other stuff, fender eliminator I made myself to make plate hard to read and so the traffic cams in Newark couldn't see it. Function, not looks Smoked screen because the oem one broke in my first crash, it was in stock. Convenient Flush mounts, again oem broke in first crash. Flush, doesn't need taped on track day. Function and laziness Aftermarket exhaust is a full titanium system with intake and pcIII and dyno tune. Performance, Function, Weight savings to make up for my fat ass

hollywood the sandbagger!

Hi-viz gear is bullshit. Someone conducted a study (ill have to Google around for it later) wherein the same person rode the same route several times on a black bike with black gear, a brightly colored bike with hi-viz gear and a police bike in police gear. He recorded the same numbers of near misses and driver ignorance in black vs hi-viz. Drivers however, do pay attention to cops. I draw the conclusion that its not that they don't see you, its that they don't care.

I stopped by the bank to throw some money in the night drop ... the door was jammed, so I yanked it open. To my amazement I found a ziplock with a shit ton of $50's in it. A few thousand dollars from a local business. Damn, damn, damn I muttered to myself. Finished both deposits the right way and motored on. That's all.

It seems both sides of this are putting the cart in front of the horse. Doesn't this really come down to what was the 911 caller saying? Then did that give the officer enough of a cause to assume a crime was about to happen? Until the 911 call gets released this is just a game of rhetoric. IMO. If the person calling and said there is a guy here with a gun and that was it, there doesn't seem to be enough reason for the police to ask the MWAG anything. If the person calling said there is a man with a gun who has been here twenty minutes and looks like he is casing the joint. That may be enough for the police to assume that a crime was about to happen. All are just...

Until open carry becomes as commonplace as wearing blue jeans, some portion of "the public" is going to be startled when they see someone who isn't dressed as a policeman carrying a gun. Some will be startled enough to call 911 and report a MWAG. Is it the 911 operator's job to determine if the call warrants dispatching an officer? Dunno, I don't work in law enforcement. I, personally, would rather a trained LEO investigate and determine what, if anything, needs to be done. Better safe than sorry. 5 minutes out of his/her shift to go somewhere doesn't seem unreasonable to me - better than someone getting hurt/killed because the MWAG actually was intent on doing harm. If someone decides that answering a (seemingly) innocuous request from a LEO for a name is not infringing upon their rights, what's the problem? Each of us can decide whether or not we want to answer ("comply", if you will). I'm not allowed to carry in any manner into a post office. Is that not an infringement of my 2nd amendment rights? I have the right to go to the Statehouse lawn and bitch publicly about anything I want to - I choose not to. Have I set back the cause of Free Speech for everyone else by choosing to keep silent? I'm not going to fault anyone for talking to a police officer, nor will I fault them for choosing to not answer any questions. It's the individual's decision to make, not mine to make (or bully toward my way of thinking) for them. Answer/comply, refuse to answer/not comply - don't care. semi-tangent: As to the earlier post in this thread about the 3" knife - remember that there is NO length of knife that you're allowed to carry concealed, as a weapon, in Ohio. Period. You're carrying "a tool", not "a weapon". As I've said before, cut some boxes with it and leave the tape residue on it as "proof" that it's a "tool".

I fully intend on going to hell... so why fear it?

Good for you guys stepping up to be instructors. Think of where just this forum (a microcosm of our society.... albeit a twisted, sometimes irrational microcosm) has been and how far it's come with the gun-rights discussion. How many anti/ambivalent folks have taken on shooting as a past-time. Nice work. Had some range time today. As my search continues to find the perfect CCW, I seem to always end up right where I started.... The Glock 19. Today, I compared my three auto-loading carry guns. Each had its strong points and weak points. Sig 239 in a Crossbreed Supertuck +Accuracy is good, but front sight has to cover the target. I like to see the target over the sight. +Ergos are decent, but single stack allows my hand to push to the left +Concealability is excellent.... my most concealable, comfortable to carry +Trigger is awesome - Capacity is 8 rounds -DA/SA transition CZ 75D Compact (PCR) in Crossbreed Supertuck +Accuracy is great +Ergos are great-- fills my hand - Concealability is a bit uncomfortable... there are levers and buttons that stick out beyond the gun +Trigger is good, but not as good as the Sig + Capacity is 14 rounds - DA/SA transition, but it is better than the Sig. The Decocker puts the hammer at a semi-cock (no, not that kind) Glock 19 gen 4 in Concealment Solutions Mamba (similar to Supertuck) +Accuracy is great +Fastest follow-up shots on target +Excellent Ergos +Capacity is 15 rounds +Concealability is actually pretty comfortable... not quite as good as Sig, but not bad enough to detract -/+ Trigger is Glock.... same every pull, not as light as the others' single action, not nearly as long as their DA For now, I'll keep the Glock on the hip. The others will have their places too.

Interesting. Didn't the email state that they had taken over due to a significant backlog, or something like that? But this sounds like nothing will change, it was just a technical detail.

I could take the time and provide links to prove you wrong...but I don't have the time right now, and I really don't care if believe me or not...so I'll just leave this here: You're wrong. Very wrong.

Fuck only repped 3 people and ran out again. Glad that so many people here understand their rights.

I see what you're saying about mass education, r1crusher. My main point was in the first sentence: It is worthwhile for 911 centers to identify people who make exaggerated emergency calls, and to inform them about the associated costs and hazards. To me, the "order of stupidity" in this case is: #1. The person that made the 911 call. I fully believe he should have been the one questioned, educated, and cited. #2. The Police Chief. He sounds like a complete idiot, that has zero concept of the law. He is #2 because he is the "leader", and the "leader" is ultimately responsible for the action of his troops. #3. The responding police officers. I'm sure they were doing what they were taught, but a lot of a cops day to day activities involve split second decisions. When those decisions are incorrect, you've got to man up and pay the price. #4. The 911 operator. See above.

Quik is good people and does great work.

Curb stomp like American History X

fuck you d-bag

Don't use Staples for the love of everything thats important. I worked there several years and 90% of the Copy Center employees are incompetent I know a pretty good lady here in Massillon that does all our stuff for our company, its called "Copy Cat" and its on Lincoln Way here. Its just her and her husband so if they are currently swamped and you're on a tight timeline it may not work

Day 2 is upon us. And I'am still outta rep

https://www.ohiobar.org/ForPublic/Resources/LawFactsPamphlets/Pages/LawFactsPamphlet-21.aspx Just comply, attitude is typically paramount in this type of predicament. There appears to be a fine line as usual with situations like this, do what they ask so you can go about your merry way. If you typically show an officer respect, they will show it back "in my experience". Where are the Leos on the forum, would sure love to hear their side of the story concerning this? If the gentleman did in fact simply provided his name, address and date of birth and invoked his right to silence, then he was fully within his rights and the officers were wrong to do more. They would still need to call in and check him out, which was all they were asking him. But had he had the CHL on his person, that right there is all the proof he needed. I just don't see this as a big deal "maybe because I have friends in law enforcement". I just don't see this as infringement, I have nothing to hide nor will I be recording a stop. I fully respect how many of you here would react or respond in a situation like this, for me I will just comply and save myself some hassle and potential implications. "Police have the power to approach persons and ask them questions. Simply because you are approached and questioned by the police does not mean you are suspected of having committed a crime. All citizens are encouraged to cooperate with the police so those who break the law can be brought to justice, but, with one exception, discussed below, you have no legal duty to answer any question, and you may refuse to answer. This is called the right of silence. You should never lie to a law enforcement officer, however. If you do, you can get into trouble for “obstructing official business.” "If the police “stop” me and ask me questions? Suppose you are walking down a street when a police officer confronts you and says: “Stop. I need to ask you some questions.” A person is “stopped,” or “detained,” when an officer uses enough force, or a show of authority, to make a reasonable person feel he or she is not free to leave. If, in addition to calling out for you to stop and using his or her authority to make you stop, the officer also pulls out a weapon or uses a threatening tone of voice, it would be even clearer that you have been "stopped." If the officer interferes with your liberty to move about, he or she should first have a reasonable suspicion that you have been involved in a crime. The officer would need to support this suspicion later (should the matter should wind up in court) by referring to specific facts that prompted the suspicion". "The police do not have to tell you that you are a suspect or that they intend to arrest you, but if they use force or a show of authority to keep you from leaving, they probably consider you a suspect, even if you were the person who called the police. If they read or recite your Miranda rights, they suspect you have committed a crime". "You have the right, if you are stopped, to refuse to answer any questions for any reason or no reason. You can invoke your right to silence by saying, "I refuse to answer any questions" or "I want to speak to a lawyer" or "I wish to remain silent." If you do not clearly invoke your right to silence with such a statement, you may subject yourself to continued questioning by police". "There is one exception to your right to silence: According to Ohio law since April 2006, if you are in a public place and under certain circumstances, you must give your name, address and date of birth to an officer. If you fail to provide this information under such circumstances, you will be committing a fourth-degree misdemeanor and may be arrested".

exactly i'm planning my future first child's conception around race season. what the hell is wrong with some of you people?

That is flatly 100% wrong. The cops can absolutely stop you and ask for you to provide identification, because there is nothing incriminating about providing identification. If you're carrying a firearm, the police have every right to make sure you're doing so legally. If you're not a felon, and you cooperate, they ought to send you on your way. If they don't, THEN you have a reason to be irritated. that's not to say they won't read you the riot act for being a fucking moron and inviting scrutiny by carrying a gun in a situation where you're damn well aware it's going to cause people to freak out. Case-in-point, I can walk around telling people "the devil is coming," and acting all kinds of crazy. That doesn't mean people won't call the cops out of concern. Or even more parallel, if I was walking around carrying a knife in my hand, or hanging prominently on my belt. You're telling me you wouldn't be concerned if some stranger was visibly armed?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDTZ7iX4vTQ Lyrics are inappropriate but I love this song. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktvTqknDobU Love this song and brunette is hot. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yf5qrVdD9E0 What can I say but Spider-Man 2 is awesome and this song works. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ap0mqwvf7H0 Taking Back Sunday! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhvWRXl_Ex0 MCR because I like being different http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jo-e7yls7wY Fun. Yes, he can sing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sv6dMFF_yts More Fun. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxrgggKgf1M ok carry on

Yup. Not bad for a cleveland boy and a much needed change of pace from this current rap BS. Good review.

You dont need a reason to convey the heartfelt impacts of music, especially when it's life altering. That's the beauty of music bro.....helps us escape, or enlightens our lives, or we identify with it if only for a moment if not forever. I have always loved music and hold true respect for all genres of it. Not only for the talent it takes, but also what it does for us all. I've never met anyone in my life that did not like music of some sort......has anyone?

Now, if some one would invent high beams for loud pipes.........

Do you have any idea of the history behind chl in Ohio? The only reason the state passed chl in Ohio is because people like this guy carried open in large organized events. Until there were a lot of those events the state never moved on chl. They did it finally because they the were tired of the press. Do you know why Cleveland heights no longer has all their parks posted and no longer have a gun registry and a bunch of other bullshit gun laws? Because I and 60 other people had an open carry picnic on one off there parks and dared them to arrest us. Then we all kicked in cash to sue the fuck out of them. We kicked their asses. You are welcome.

I'll never understand why people think being asked to show ID is "having your rights infringed". These open carry situations that go bad do so because people simply want to play games with the LEO's and refuse to show ID. Just show the guy your damn id, he can make sure you are not a felon and everybody can go about there business How is simply providing ID "giving up your right"??

Not all of us live in the sticks, and carry our weapon around like some badge of honor. It is a weapon. Use it for it's purpose, or leave it at home. Fight political battles with words/education.

He went fishing for a bad cop and landed a lunker. Personally I think it's great. Maybe a 3.6 million dollar trophy cop. I would mount a picture of him above the mantle.

I came this close, but pussed when I thought about the wife having all that money from the insurance.

Sounded like guy was being a dick. Why lie about anything? If a was working the convenience store at 0430 I would have reacted the same way and called the cops had I seen a gun.

And this is how and why more signs will go up that say no weapons allowed. Not cooperating makes the rest of us look bad.

Thanks!! I think it went pretty good. I had Todd there to jump in now and then. To be honest, the amount of material that you have to cover over 12 hours could really be thoroughly covered in about 6-8, but having an extra person there to tell stories and add little bits was really helpful. I enjoyed it a lot

Clay.. why don't you go test drive it and give us your input?

My tires are bald and chain is jb welded but I figure they should get me through this trip

Just wanted to thank Paul for getting the new Tourances mounted on my V-Strom this morning. The 70 mile ride to his place was a little "brisk" when I left home at 7:30 am (45 degrees). See you at the Gap in a few weeks.

Oh god it was awful but took like a champ.

There was a Veyron down around the Short North last night - the sound was incredible.

So.....Today I passed a Porsche Cayman like it was standing still in my Tacoma while draggin' both bike's on the trailer of course it was parked but same idea