redkow97 Posted November 24, 2019 Report Share Posted November 24, 2019 Small bikes are awesome to race, and miserable at trackdays. /$.02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owndjoo Posted April 18, 2020 Report Share Posted April 18, 2020 On 11/23/2019 at 11:32 PM, redkow97 said: Small bikes are awesome to race, and miserable at trackdays. /$.02 This! I started racing on an SV and loved it, learned a lot about carrying speed and race craft. But at track days every goon on a 600+ will fly by on the straights and park you in the corners. And then riding them in advanced gets dicey with the speed differences imo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkow97 Posted April 22, 2020 Report Share Posted April 22, 2020 This is one reason racing is arguably safer. I remember being out for practice on my F2 with a guy on a Honda Hawk who was just murdering me on the brakes. Once i had a good brake marker for my races, i backed off and just stayed behind him on the straights. I also think racing lends itself to being near people of similar pace and ability. Until you’re getting lapped, the fast guys are way ahead of you. In combined expert/novice CSS grids with 2-wave starts, i would literally get lapped by the top 2 experts in their final turn of the race and take the checkers right behind them. That happened like 5 times in 2 race weekends. I felt like i could have gotten my full race distance if it hadn’t been a 2 wave start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimTheAzn Posted April 22, 2020 Report Share Posted April 22, 2020 (edited) 44 minutes ago, redkow97 said: This is one reason racing is arguably safer. I remember being out for practice on my F2 with a guy on a Honda Hawk who was just murdering me on the brakes. Arguably. Getting a race license isn't all that difficult. And I know someone who is still an average novice that snuck in and got a race license. That person grids up on the same grid as experts and imo that's dangerous as fuck. That's why some orgs wont even let you take their race licensing course without being at least in intermediate. Edited April 22, 2020 by TimTheAzn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimTheAzn Posted April 22, 2020 Report Share Posted April 22, 2020 On 4/17/2020 at 10:51 PM, owndjoo said: This! I started racing on an SV and loved it, learned a lot about carrying speed and race craft. But at track days every goon on a 600+ will fly by on the straights and park you in the corners. And then riding them in advanced gets dicey with the speed differences imo. This is my frustration lol. Hard to ride with friends with bigger bikes. I can keep up in the corners for the most part, as soon as any bit of straight comes into play I'll get gapped and over a session of that happening I'm not riding with friends anymore lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tpoppa Posted April 22, 2020 Report Share Posted April 22, 2020 1 hour ago, TimTheAzn said: This is my frustration lol. Hard to ride with friends with bigger bikes. I can keep up in the corners for the most part, as soon as any bit of straight comes into play I'll get gapped and over a session of that happening I'm not riding with friends anymore lol. Last year I took the Ninja 400 on a 3 day WV trip. It was super fun pacing @Pauly on the Hyper Duc. On tight technical roads I was absolutely having a blast riding that 400 at it's limits. But if he gapped me, I really couldn't reel him back in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimTheAzn Posted April 22, 2020 Report Share Posted April 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Tpoppa said: Last year I took the Ninja 400 on a 3 day WV trip. It was super fun pacing @Pauly on the Hyper Duc. On tight technical roads I was absolutely having a blast riding that 400 at it's limits. But if he gapped me, I really couldn't reel him back in. Tighter stuff levels the playing field. It's about the rider at that point, not so much the bike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pauly Posted April 23, 2020 Report Share Posted April 23, 2020 13 hours ago, TimTheAzn said: Tighter stuff levels the playing field. It's about the rider at that point, not so much the bike. You heard it here, folks. I am faster than @Tpoppa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tpoppa Posted April 23, 2020 Report Share Posted April 23, 2020 4 hours ago, CoDAF said: You heard it here, folks. I am faster than @Tpoppa. You were hustlin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owndjoo Posted April 26, 2020 Report Share Posted April 26, 2020 On 4/22/2020 at 10:38 AM, TimTheAzn said: Arguably. Getting a race license isn't all that difficult. And I know someone who is still an average novice that snuck in and got a race license. That person grids up on the same grid as experts and imo that's dangerous as fuck. That's why some orgs wont even let you take their race licensing course without being at least in intermediate. True, I did the WERA race school On my street bike having never been on a track. Got a race SV and showed up tonWERa race and podiumed lol. Won 3 Nationals 2 races later and swept the regional titles. Track days definitely aren’t needed to get into racing. Biggest thing is knowing track etiquette, flags, rules, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimTheAzn Posted April 28, 2020 Report Share Posted April 28, 2020 (edited) On 4/26/2020 at 7:17 PM, owndjoo said: Track days definitely aren’t needed to get into racing. Biggest thing is knowing track etiquette, flags, rules, etc. Idk how an individual is supposed to go from street riding to being ok when an expert running 30 seconds faster than you stuffs you up the inside, or comes around the outside and chops your nose off for example. You may be a freak example. Or you got lucky. You need to build up to suppressing those survival reactions and being comfortable with going 85mph with your knee on the ground and someone 6 inches from your belly pan at the same time. Flags and rules are the easy part at that point. I 100% would not want someone coming off the street, with the only track experience they have is the mock race, to be in the same race as me, or any other seasoned track rider/racer. Edited April 28, 2020 by TimTheAzn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owndjoo Posted April 28, 2020 Report Share Posted April 28, 2020 (edited) Double post Edited April 28, 2020 by owndjoo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owndjoo Posted April 28, 2020 Report Share Posted April 28, 2020 3 hours ago, TimTheAzn said: Idk how an individual is supposed to go from street riding to being ok when an expert running 30 seconds faster than you stuffs you up the inside, or comes around the outside and chops your nose off for example. You may be a freak example. Or you got lucky. You need to build up to suppressing those survival reactions and being comfortable with going 85mph with your knee on the ground and someone 6 inches from your belly pan at the same time. Flags and rules are the easy part at that point. I 100% would not want someone coming off the street, with the only track experience they have is the mock race, to be in the same race as me, or any other seasoned track rider/racer. years of racing motocross beforehand would have probably had a benefit with all of that. Going to lightweight helps as well, going straight into 600s is asking for trouble there. Had to relearn on the in-line . I definitely would say I’m a bit of an outlier for sure, as anyone around long enough here knows lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimTheAzn Posted April 28, 2020 Report Share Posted April 28, 2020 600 novice races are the definition of thunderdome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhughes Posted April 30, 2020 Report Share Posted April 30, 2020 On 4/22/2020 at 10:40 AM, TimTheAzn said: This is my frustration lol. Hard to ride with friends with bigger bikes. I can keep up in the corners for the most part, as soon as any bit of straight comes into play I'll get gapped and over a session of that happening I'm not riding with friends anymore lol. Sounds like you need to buy a 600.....i got one for sale 😀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimTheAzn Posted April 30, 2020 Report Share Posted April 30, 2020 1 hour ago, jhughes said: Sounds like you need to buy a 600.....i got one for sale 😀 Nah I'd want something with more track related farkles. That's too pretty for me to crash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jester_ Posted April 30, 2020 Report Share Posted April 30, 2020 41 minutes ago, TimTheAzn said: Nah I'd want something with more track related farkles. That's too pretty for me to crash. Hey I know of one, has a brand new oil\water pump Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimTheAzn Posted April 30, 2020 Report Share Posted April 30, 2020 11 minutes ago, Jester_ said: Hey I know of one, has a brand new oil\water pump Yes Yes.... Trade you the SV and some crisp high-fives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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