Tonik Posted June 15, 2020 Report Share Posted June 15, 2020 Harley wants loans. They are done, have been for some time. Let it go. https://www.visordown.com/news/industry/harley-davidson-request-survival-loan?amp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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2talltim Posted June 15, 2020 Report Share Posted June 15, 2020 I agree let them die. I think that company has been taking advantage of their consumers for decades. Selling a not premium product for a premium price. Building huge cathedral type buildings on the coat tails of the douped fan base. Time to let them wallow in their own demise because they refuse to give in to what the masses wanted at a price point the average joe could afford. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonik Posted June 15, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2020 The only downside is a lot of Harley riders will buy bikes like ours and end up here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimTheAzn Posted June 15, 2020 Report Share Posted June 15, 2020 51 minutes ago, Tpoppa said: I just watched this last night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motocat12 Posted June 15, 2020 Report Share Posted June 15, 2020 26 minutes ago, Tonik said: The only downside is a lot of Harley riders will buy bikes like ours and end up here. Aren't there enough dead harleys to restore? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pauly Posted June 15, 2020 Report Share Posted June 15, 2020 HD had its heyday, but all things come to an end. This is what happens when you build your product on an ideal, rather than market research. 29 minutes ago, Tonik said: The only downside is a lot of Harley riders will buy bikes like ours and end up here. Good. Maybe one of them will buy my Ducati. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonik Posted June 15, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2020 11 minutes ago, Pauly said: This is what happens when you build your product on an ideal, rather than market research. Originally it was a genius plan do build on the ideal. They killed it. Problem was they didn't keep up, in part because if they had pivoted to new products they would have lost their current market share. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tpoppa Posted June 15, 2020 Report Share Posted June 15, 2020 Harley's lack of innovation has not typically been an issue for them. People bought them as modern antiques. ...but, all the bikes they made in their late 2000s hayday are flooding the used market, and prices are dropping. Those used bikes are 95% the same as new Harleys and way cheaper..and they're old-school/air-cooled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmh_sprint Posted June 15, 2020 Report Share Posted June 15, 2020 they must have received some blowback, the article is no longer posted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howabusa Posted June 15, 2020 Report Share Posted June 15, 2020 I thought Buffett loaned them $300 million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tpoppa Posted June 16, 2020 Report Share Posted June 16, 2020 2 hours ago, Howabusa said: I thought Buffett loaned them $300 million. He did, but that was years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howabusa Posted June 16, 2020 Report Share Posted June 16, 2020 7 minutes ago, Tpoppa said: He did, but that was years ago. Yep, you’re right, 2009 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tpoppa Posted June 16, 2020 Report Share Posted June 16, 2020 Manufacturers that build innovative, engaging motorcycles are still doing well in the US. I think that list is limited to BMW, Triumph, KTM, Ducati, Yamaha, and Kawasaki. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonik Posted June 16, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2020 Last I saw, Honda was number 2 in the US. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonik Posted June 16, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2020 And Harley is being removed from S&Ps 500. https://biztimes.com/harley-davidson-removed-from-sp-500/?amp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tpoppa Posted June 16, 2020 Report Share Posted June 16, 2020 16 minutes ago, Tonik said: And Harley is being removed from S&Ps 500. https://biztimes.com/harley-davidson-removed-from-sp-500/?amp Yay! A lot of my 401k is in S&P index funds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connie14 Posted June 16, 2020 Report Share Posted June 16, 2020 They should probably put an import tariff on bikes larger than 700CCs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killer_kaw Posted June 16, 2020 Report Share Posted June 16, 2020 2 hours ago, Connie14 said: They should probably put an import tariff on bikes larger than 700CCs. This could work. R6 eco boost anyone? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zx3vfr Posted June 16, 2020 Report Share Posted June 16, 2020 9 hours ago, Tonik said: Last I saw, Honda was number 2 in the US. Well Honda hasn’t been exactly known as innovative since probably the early 90s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimTheAzn Posted June 16, 2020 Report Share Posted June 16, 2020 10 hours ago, Tpoppa said: Manufacturers that build innovative, engaging motorcycles are still doing well in the US. I think that list is limited to BMW, Triumph, KTM, Ducati, Yamaha, and Kawasaki. Suzuki as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zx3vfr Posted June 16, 2020 Report Share Posted June 16, 2020 22 hours ago, Tonik said: Harley wants loans. They are done, have been for some time. Let it go. https://www.visordown.com/news/industry/harley-davidson-request-survival-loan?amp Links dead https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.rideapart.com/articles/428857/harley-davidson-financial-liquidity-coronavirus-pandemic/amp/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2talltim Posted June 16, 2020 Report Share Posted June 16, 2020 20 minutes ago, TimTheAzn said: Suzuki as well. They are also circling the drain in my opinion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zx3vfr Posted June 16, 2020 Report Share Posted June 16, 2020 48 minutes ago, TimTheAzn said: Suzuki as well. What has Suzuki done that’s been innovative in the past 15 years? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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