What do you do for back pain?

[Tractor]

Did I make page one?

 

Darn so close

[HAOLE]

this problem is not a congenital problem--

 

You need to stop now. For someone that is a surgeon you are putting your foot into your mouth. You are WRONG, either by ignorance, or stupidity it does not matter. I would expect more from someone that performs surgery.

i shit gold

Admitting your problem is the first step.

[HAOLE]

Kirk can you do this in 90 days with out drugs and surgery? I can!

Before

 

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k25/straightchiro/Beforecorrection.jpg

After

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k25/straightchiro/After.jpg

 

PS, this patient dropped 4 out of 5 meds in 90 days.

[rch10007]

My wife, a DVM (DACVR Candidate), is sitting here reading this crap and laughing her ass off.

 

We personally know of 3 people who have been told by their surgeons to seek treatment by physical therapist and pain specialist to help manage their symptoms until it's unbearable and then pursue surgery, as a last resort.

 

Aside, she see's a large percentage of older dogs that have spondylosis deformans incidentally on radiographs.

[TheHaze]

^:eek2:

[kirks5oh]

You need to stop now. For someone that is a surgeon you are putting your foot into your mouth. You are WRONG, either by ignorance, or stupidity it does not matter. I would expect more from someone that performs surgery.

 

 

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&defl=en&q=define:congenital&sa=X&oi=glossary_definition&ct=title

 

"a truly congenital etiology seems unlikely, because, with one exception, no evidence exists for the presence of the lytic pars interarticularis defect in the newborn"

 

 

direct quote from the newest edition of "pediatric orthopaedics" textbook, editted by morrissy and weinstein. look into it.

[rch10007]

WTF does a newborn have to do with the OP?

[evan9381]

nothing, its all about who's e-cock is biggest

 

i love to sit here and watch them go back and forth. its hilarious

[HAOLE]

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&defl=en&q=define:congenital&sa=X&oi=glossary_definition&ct=title

 

"a truly congenital etiology seems unlikely, because, with one exception, no evidence exists for the presence of the lytic pars interarticularis defect in the newborn"

 

 

direct quote from the newest edition of "pediatric orthopaedics" textbook, editted by morrissy and weinstein. look into it.

 

dead link...like your brain

 

But I can look up references too.

 

Spondylolysis, Spondylolisthesis, and Degenerative Spondylolisthesis

By Robert Gunzburg, Marek Szpalski

http://books.google.com/books?id=BubZFvS0vG0C&pg=PA123&lpg=PA123&dq=dysplastic+spondylolisthesis&source=web&ots=TYixITtSkS&sig=K7js3PF6gsHO4EgUOveITNweE5Y&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=10&ct=result

" the exact incidence of dysplastic spondylolithesis is unknown, but this type makes up 14-24% of treated cases" Direct quote. Look into it.

[rch10007]

nothing, its all about who's e-cock is biggest

 

i love to sit here and watch them go back and forth. its hilarious

 

Fuck, I forgot which forum I was posting on!

[kirks5oh]

Kirk can you do this in 90 days with out drugs and surgery? I can!

 

PS, this patient dropped 4 out of 5 meds in 90 days.

 

 

looks to me like one film is a bending film, and the other is not. if you think you can permanently correct true physical deformity in 3 months of your treatment, you're delusional.

 

try this on your massage table. "i'll take a brisk shiatsu, with the lemon scented massage oil, Dr. rick"

 

http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/2680/scoliiq3.jpg

[kirks5oh]

dead link...like your brain

 

works for me, its just the definition of 'congenital' for you. i'm starting today's lesson at potty training for you.

[kirks5oh]

triple before i retire for the night. chiropracters have a definite role in back pain, they just need to realize the limits of their abilities--as do surgeons. the bottom line is that back pain is the bain of our society, and is only getting worse with obese america. more people see their family doctor for back pain, than for any other complaint (aside from maybe the common cold). it is the single largest factor in disability cases, and worker's compensation cases. to some extent, it never COMPLETELY goes away--even with surgery.

[evan9381]

to some extent, it never COMPLETELY goes away--even with surgery.

 

kinda what im worried about with this bulging disc. been feeling good lately, but that was the case 6 weeks ago and all the sudden i got horrible spasms that almost knocked me over. new treatment (IDD) is making me feel better, but who knows what will happen after i get released and maybe a year down then road

[rch10007]

triple before i retire for the night. chiropracters have a definite role in back pain, they just need to realize the limits of their abilities--as do surgeons. the bottom line is that back pain is the bain of our society, and is only getting worse with obese america. more people see their family doctor for back pain, than for any other complaint (aside from maybe the common cold). it is the single largest factor in disability cases, and worker's compensation cases. to some extent, it never COMPLETELY goes away--even with surgery.

 

Are you trying to be human?

[HAOLE]

Are you trying to be human?

 

No.

 

He stuck his foot in his pie hole and he is trying to back peddle.

[HAOLE]

looks to me like one film is a bending film, and the other is not. if you think you can permanently correct true physical deformity in 3 months of your treatment, you're delusional.

 

try this on your massage table. "i'll take a brisk shiatsu, with the lemon scented massage oil, Dr. rick"

 

http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/2680/scoliiq3.jpg

 

I have a ton more films I can post!!!

[HAOLE]

kinda what im worried about with this bulging disc. been feeling good lately, but that was the case 6 weeks ago and all the sudden i got horrible spasms that almost knocked me over. new treatment (IDD) is making me feel better, but who knows what will happen after i get released and maybe a year down then road

 

When you have a disc injury, they tend to nag at you over the years. Kirk will tell you IDD is bull, but is does work in the vast majority of cases. Unless you have a free floating fragment, or severe spinal stenois, then all bets are off.

[kirks5oh]

No.

 

He stuck his foot in his pie hole and he is trying to back peddle.

 

no back peddling here. i've always maintained that there's a place for chiro's in the treatment of back pain--but its well down the food chain from the physician. that is all

[HAOLE]

no back peddling here. i've always maintained that there's a place for chiro's in the treatment of back pain--but its well down the food chain from the physician. that is all

 

I thank God for you guys every day! I get all the crap you guys screw up, thank you! I guess some one has to help the people after they run through you guys, spend tens of thousands of dollars and are the same, or worse.

 

I will tell you how good the MD's are. I had a lady two weeks ago came in as a new patient. I sent to the ER due to obvious neurological signs of stroke. Slurred speach, + Rombergs, unable to heel/toe walk, loss of coordination, severe headache etc. ER doc says no stroke sends her home and tells her she has a sprained neck (with no recent trauma history) and arthritis. I get a call yesterday, she collapsed the next day at home. Spends the next week in Mt. Carmel. Now has paralysis on her left side. Way to go guys!!!!

[Rustlestiltskin]

I thank God for you guys every day! I get all the crap you guys screw up, thank you! I guess some one has to help the people after they run through you guys, spend tens of thousands of dollars and are the same, or worse.

 

I will tell you how good the MD's are. I had a lady two weeks ago came in as a new patient. I sent to the ER due to obvious neurological signs of stroke. Slurred speach, + Rombergs, unable to heel/toe walk, loss of coordination, severe headache etc. ER doc says no stroke sends her home and tells her she has a sprained neck (with no recent trauma history) and arthritis. I get a call yesterday, she collapsed the next day at home. Spends the next week in Mt. Carmel. Now has paralysis on her left side. Way to go guys!!!!

 

[SPLN SUX]

Ok so im not a doctor... but im a work horse, and an athlete, and dont have back problems even when recently shoveling about 14 tons of stone to help finish my sisters back yard of her new house.

 

Before you ever do any kind of strenuous labor, you have to be built for it. By this i mean you cant have "The Little Guy Complex". You cant always try to prove that you can carry just as much, or physical do just as much as the next guy. Im a big guy as far as averages go, and even though im extremely high impact friendly, I still know theres a limit to what i can do safely. You have to have the right muscle to do the job. Im great for shoveling stone... except im a bit tall... but other than that, i have the right muscle structure for it to keep my body in comfortable position that will keep me from being injured.

 

As much as I run, I didnt just go out and run full blast everyday... i had to work up to it, and get my body to remember what it needed to be like it was 10 or 11yrs ago when i was in track and cross country. Your body will adapt, but you have to give it time.

 

Im not a doctor, and im sure someone will say i shouldnt be, and i promise i wont, but you started WAY too young, and youve grown into your problem, not just gotten it out of the blue from an injury. Go see a Chiropractor, its your best bet.

[HAOLE]

A little more of my handy work...

 

 

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k25/straightchiro/beforecs.jpg

 

-5 degree curve. Normal is 31-40 degrees

 

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k25/straightchiro/AfterCs.jpg

 

28 degrees after care. That is a 32 degree change is 5 months.

[99ta]

We personally know of 3 people who have been told by their surgeons to seek treatment by physical therapist and pain specialist to help manage their symptoms until it's unbearable and then pursue surgery, as a last resort.

 

this is what the back spec told me 8 yrs ago.

 

Rick - I tried a chiro for about 3 weeks. He hurt me so bad I could barley move. he kept telling me it will get worse before better. but after 3 weeks I had enough. I would not rule out chiro treatment as it worked for my wife, but I think I need to seek other options.

[HAOLE]

this is what the back spec told me 8 yrs ago.

 

Rick - I tried a chiro for about 3 weeks. He hurt me so bad I could barley move. he kept telling me it will get worse before better. but after 3 weeks I had enough. I would not rule out chiro treatment as it worked for my wife, but I think I need to seek other options.

 

If you had a spondylolithesis, there is a specific way you must be adjusted. I would bet they guy put you on you side to adjust you.