RedRocket1647545505 Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 http://www.lawofficer.com/news-and-articles/articles/lom/0412/the_peter_soulis_incident.html Palmer had taken 22 hits from Soulis' .40-caliber Glock, 17 of which had hit center mass. Despite the fact that the weapon had been loaded with Ranger SXTs—considered by many to be one of the best man-stoppers available—Palmer lived for more than four minutes after the last shot was fired. His autopsy revealed nothing more than a small amount of alcohol in his bloodstream. or P1 Exclusive: The truth about handgun knockdown power By Commander Jeffry L. Johnson Long Beach Police Dept., Detective Division Special contributor to PoliceOne *snip* Imagine my surprise when I was confronted by a suspect armed with a shotgun in a dark alley and my Long Colt didn’t live up to its billing. I fired five rounds at the suspect. It wasn’t until I fired my last shot — intentionally aimed at his head — that he went down. I can’t begin to relate to you the surprise and horror I felt when there was absolutely no outward indication I was hitting my target. It was the kind of situation cops have nightmares about. What actually happened? I fired five rounds at a distance of about twelve feet. The first one missed completely. The second struck his upper leg and broke his femur. The third struck him in the shoulder/chest. The fourth round hit him dead center—in the heart. And of course, the fifth was a headshot. Three of the five rounds created fatal wounds, though only one had immediate results. Needless to say, I was pretty shaken by the whole thing. Not by the morality of what I’d done; the suspect had already fired at a bystander and taken a hostage earlier. He was also high on PCP. That wasn’t my inner struggle. What shook me was how unprepared I felt; how totally off guard I was taken by what occurred. No one ever told me it would be like that. The reality was contrary to everything I thought I knew about deadly force. Moral of the story: People don't drop dead after one shot like they do in the movies. Prepare yourself accordingly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KillJoy Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 S&W 500 4"? KillJoy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Bruh Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 460 ftw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87GT Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 I think that my glock is good enough for being at home until I can afford the shotgun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotarded1647545491 Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 10MM Hornady 200gr XTP HP http://nordicg3k.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/deltagc_onwood.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRocket1647545505 Posted January 9, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 10MM http://nordicg3k.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/deltagc_onwood.jpg You's carrying enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty2Hotty Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 Seen the same thing happen with multiple rounds of 5.56mm through a person. At the same token, 1 relatively well placed 7.62mm drops a human like a bad habbit. Dead bodies tend to flop around like fish out of water sometimes. (Cropy flop as my Arkansas buddy called it) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rch10007 Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 That's Crappie flop. Many insurgents would dope up in Iraq and you could make them look like swiss chesse and they still wouldn't die right away. If your brain didn't shut down from the hydroshock, you could keep moving, for a short time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty2Hotty Posted January 10, 2009 Report Share Posted January 10, 2009 Basically what caused them to collapse, were the multiple rounds through their chest. Kind of shocking to see the aftermath, and sometimes how useless 5.56mm can be when you really need it. Personally, the Geneva Convention can kiss my ass, we need stopping power over velocity with our battle rifles. That's one time you don't need to be second guessing if you're carrying "enough". -The Mahdi Militia was all about "doping" up and coming at us in their black pajamas. First time after OIF 1 I saw a fucking uniform. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eBell Posted January 10, 2009 Report Share Posted January 10, 2009 And this is why I practice on small targets. Sometimes you need a head shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evan9381 Posted January 10, 2009 Report Share Posted January 10, 2009 so, if you had the option to carry a gun that came in a couple calibers (like my M&P compact), would you prefer 8+1 in 40cal or 12+1 in a 9mm to have the extra 4 shots? and just chose ammo accordingly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRocket1647545505 Posted January 10, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2009 so, if you had the option to carry a gun that came in a couple calibers (like my M&P compact), would you prefer 8+1 in 40cal or 12+1 in a 9mm to have the extra 4 shots? and just chose ammo accordingly? Personally, I'd got for the higher capacity and rely (hopefully) on training and my ability to put one where it counts. More chances to do so = better IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenny Posted January 10, 2009 Report Share Posted January 10, 2009 22 hits, jesus christ, that dude was a beast Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stolen 5.0 Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 22 hits, that guy had to be on drugs I'm comfident i'n my 7+1 springfield .45 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokinHawk1647545499 Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 what ya need is the 50 cal http://tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:jGLZ6i4vpmLcxM:https://secure.democracyinaction.org/dia/organizationsORG/FSA/images/compare.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putty Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 .38 wadcutters will do the job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jelloman4571647545499 Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 I will stick with my 9mm with hydrashocks 15+1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putty Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 (edited) oh Edited January 12, 2009 by Putty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farkas Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 what ya need is the 50 cal http://tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:jGLZ6i4vpmLcxM:https://secure.democracyinaction.org/dia/organizationsORG/FSA/images/compare.jpg Trying to put a football sized hole in someone's chest, eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hpfiend Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 Do you guys really cary 15 round magazines at 15 rounds for long periods of time? I only have 9+1 in my 15 rounder as I have heard the springs fatigue and it may not be as reliable when you need it to be. Opinions? Andrew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPLN SUX Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 Its adrenalin. On enough adrenalin, your body is about as close to being a T101 as it can be. You might as well shoot that round at a freight train. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rustlestiltskin Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 Its adrenalin. On enough adrenalin, your body is about as close to being a T101 as it can be. You might as well shoot that round at a freight train. truth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87GT Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 You ever see the ending to the movie scarface? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stangsn95gt Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 You ever see the ending to the movie scarface? cocaines a hell of a drug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJ Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 Do you guys really cary 15 round magazines at 15 rounds for long periods of time? I only have 9+1 in my 15 rounder as I have heard the springs fatigue and it may not be as reliable when you need it to be. Opinions? Andrew A spring wears out from cycling, not from being compressed or uncompressed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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