True Street Rules for track day

[wagner]

These are the rules that I'm looking at to go with for the True Street portion of the day.

 

http://www.nmcadigital.com/cat/rules_purses/docs/lsx/2l-2012-LSX-True-Street-Final.pdf

 

The tweaks I am looking at are to open it up to the big tire cars that have a DOT street legal tire, and allowing open down pipes for turbo cars. **THIS IS NOT A DONE DEAL YET**

 

The cruise will be 20-30 miles.

 

Now, the additional thing I am looking at is having an additional race to see who has the fastest street car.

 

To qualify for that race you MUST: 1. complete the cruise and 2. make all 3 of your passes. After that those who want in can get in on the ladder. It will be heads up, run what you brung to see who really has the fastest street car.

 

True Street Columbus Racing Rules.

 

1. Vehicles will be limited to factory built vehicles, with a legal registered VIN number, simply put no tube chassis race cars. If your vehicle started life as a regular production car and your factory firewall, and floorpans are in place, the body and chassis are legal.

 

2. Any engine and drivetrain are legal, exhaust systems will be restricted from being open. There must be a component between the exhaust manifold and the exhaust's exit (muffler, catalytic converter, or turbo). Location of exhaust exit does not matter so long as it meets the previous statement. No open pipes.

 

3. Vehicle must be road legal and you will be responsible for that legality for the cruise portion of this event. The point here is not to conduct DOT inspections, but to inspect the basics. We will be looking for working brake lights, and turn signals. You must have a currently valid licence plate on the vehicle.

 

4. Tires must have manufactured DOT label on them. No size restrictions, no other inspection of tires.

 

There will be a 30 mile supervised cruise on highway and city streets prior to competition, limited to those vehicles that have passed tech inspection. A escort will supervise the cruise in accordance with local laws and ordinances. Each competitor and crew will be on their own reconnaissance during the escort and cruise and bear the full responsibility of their actions as they would on city streets. Please be safe and follow all traffic laws during the cruise. If you fail to make it back you will be disqulified. If you get separated from the group it will be the escort's judgement if you completed the miles and made it back in a timely fashion, if any sort of cheating is suspected you will be disqualified.

 

 

COOLDOWN PERIOD/RETURN PROCEDURES

After the vehicles return from the road tour, they will return directly to the designated staging lanes for the cool-down period. They may not change tires. The cool-down period will typically last between 15 and 45 minutes. During this cool down period only, entrants may adjust tire pressure only. A strict CLOSED HOOD policy will be in effect until a competitor has completed his or her three back to back passes. No re-fueling allowed once car leaves on cruise. No laptops or bluetooth devices in or around vehicle, no adding, removing, or adjusting anything except tire pressure. Air tanks will not be allowed in the staging lanes, so adding air to tires is not allowed.

 

FINAL STANDINGS

After all three quarter mile passes are completed, each racer’s ET’s will be added together and divided by 3. This will be your score, you must not fall below your class's index number.

 

CREW MEMBERS

Crew members are not permitted around participating vehicles, in the staging lanes, or in the burnout area, between rounds of competition. The only exception is to aid in the repacking of vehicle's parachute.

 

 

 

Line up on the entrance road where we will do final tech. You will need to turn your hazards and lights on, we will also be checking tires. Left out of track. Right on Rt 13, right on I-70, Exit at Rt 158, right onto Rt 40, left back into track.

Edited April 15, 2014 by Wagner
sorry Wags you're taking too long

[2highpsi]

What do you expect the ET range of the competitors of this to be?

[wagner]

What do you expect the ET range of the competitors of this to be?

 

For True Street its all about the average and knowing your car. You are racing to hit your average (15.00 all the way to 9.00).

 

Take a look at the rules, its a pretty cool way for anybody to get in on the fun.

 

If we end up doing the heads up deal, who knows. You have to be able to get the car from point A to B and that means putting the power down.

[2highpsi]

For True Street its all about the average and knowing your car. You are racing to hit your average (15.00 all the way to 9.00).

 

Take a look at the rules, its a pretty cool way for anybody to get in on the fun.

 

If we end up doing the heads up deal, who knows. You have to be able to get the car from point A to B and that means putting the power down.

 

So ideally, a car that runs X.01 consistently would do the best?

 

 

 

So like if I say my car is in the 10s. I would be racing cars that run between 10.00 and 10.99

 

And if someone in that class runs a 9.9 they essentially "break out" and lose?

[wagner]

So ideally, a car that runs X.01 consistently would do the best?

 

 

 

So like if I say my car is in the 10s. I would be racing cars that run between 10.00 and 10.99

 

And if someone in that class runs a 9.9 they essentially "break out" and lose?

 

Kind of.

 

In True Street you have to declare what index you are going to be for your 3 passes, so let's say you declare the 10.00 as your index.

 

After the cruise and cool down when you make your 3 passes your goal is to get as close to 10.00 as possible on those 3. After the 3 passes you turn in your slips, we will add them up and average them.

 

You want that average to be as close to 10.00 as possible. For each index the person who is as close to or dead on their average will be that index winner.

 

Does that make more sense? Its like bracket racing, but you are racing yourself.

[2highpsi]

Makes sense.

 

What happens if someone runs faster than their index?

 

 

One more question, in reference to the "True 10.5 inch wide tires"

 

How is this figured out? Using the metric calculator... the stock rear tires on my car are 11.2".. Although I don't think they actually measure out quite as wide.

[pontiacfreak142]

Ill probably do this, sounds like fun. My only question, i think i know the awnser but just getting wags opinion, but i have an electric water pump and a switch for my fans. Are those allowed in the cooling process?

[2highpsi]

Scratch my last question. After further reading I saw up to 325mm is acceptable

[wagner]

Makes sense.

 

What happens if someone runs faster than their index?

 

 

One more question, in reference to the "True 10.5 inch wide tires"

 

How is this figured out? Using the metric calculator... the stock rear tires on my car are 11.2".. Although I don't think they actually measure out quite as wide.

 

You can run as fast as you want under your index as long as you don't dip below the safety rules. That won't make winning any easier for you

 

As for the tire thing, I need to ask some people smarter than me. Personally I would love to let the big tire cars in, just so they have ZERO reason to cry on their keyboards about how fast their "street car" is and everybody is scared of it.

 

Same deal with the exhaust deal, I don't see a reason to keep loud cars out. But then again, the people who set these rules up know tons more about racing than I do, so there might be a good reason.

 

My main goal with this is for people to have fun, get to race, and see who can back up all the talk :fuckyeah:

 

Ill probably do this, sounds like fun. My only question, i think i know the awnser but just getting wags opinion, but i have an electric water pump and a switch for my fans. Are those allowed in the cooling process?

 

Unless I missed something in the rules that should be fine.

[StackedDimes]

The cruise will be 20-30 miles.

How long will the highway cruise be as far as distance? If need be, could you pull over and add fuel if you run out?

[wagner]

How long will the highway cruise be as far as distance? If need be, could you pull over and add fuel if you run out?

 

No, you have to complete the cruise without stopping.

[StackedDimes]

Looks like I'm out. But anyways great class with perfect rules.

[MrMeanGreen]

^^^

 

Looks like someone that gets worse gas mileage than me

[miller11386]

well im not running my manual car on DOT tires, so goodluck to all the participants!

 

In other series, manual cars are permitted to have a full ET drag slick if equipped with a true H pattern manual transmission that is engaged and disengaged with a pedal clutch.

 

If I ever put a TH400 in I will be sure to come race on my DOT's

[wagner]

well im not running my manual car on DOT tires, so goodluck to all the participants!

 

In other series, manual cars are permitted to have a full ET drag slick if equipped with a true H pattern manual transmission that is engaged and disengaged with a pedal clutch.

 

If I ever put a TH400 in I will be sure to come race on my DOT's

 

I've never heard of that before. I just know that the NMCA/NMRA/LSX True Street class is usually the biggest one at the event. The rules package seems to work overall.

 

I'm still on the fence about the exhaust thing, I have not really heard any reason why not to keep cars out for that. I don't think Drag Week limits that and they don't have any issues.

[Cordell]

So let me get this right, if your 3 passes average average 10.0 in a 10.0 class you'd have the best possible average? Does it matter how you get to that average, I mean can you run 10.0, 10.50, and 9.50? if your average is under 10.0 you lose, or you can't run faster then 10.0 in any one pass?

and lets say some one ties with you, how far does the decimal place go? I'm assuming the chances of a tie is astronomical.

[wagner]

So let me get this right, if your 3 passes average average 10.0 in a 10.0 class you'd have the best possible average? Does it matter how you get to that average, I mean can you run 10.0, 10.50, and 9.50? if your average is under 10.0 you lose, or you can't run faster then 10.0 in any one pass?

and lets say some one ties with you, how far does the decimal place go? I'm assuming the chances of a tie is astronomical.

 

Think of it like the Price Is Right, you want to be as close as possible to the final price of your Showcase Showdown without going over or under.

 

How you get there is up to you. We will go as far out as the time slip goes, if there is a tie, well I will have to look that up because I've never heard of that before.

[Cordell]

Think of it like the Price Is Right, you want to be as close as possible to the final price of your Showcase Showdown without going over or under.

 

 

This is not a clear answer, either only the final average time, or each individual time matters. The Wagnerism isn't helping to clarify, besides its the person who gets closest without going over in the showcase showdown.

[wagner]

This is not a clear answer, either only the final average time, or each individual time matters. The Wagnerism isn't helping to clarify, besides its the person who gets closest without going over in the showcase showdown.

 

I did not understand the question, my fault.

 

Individual times do not matter, only the final average matters. Whoever gets closest to their final average without going over/under wins.

 

I don't see anything about a tie in the rules, so I guess we will need to come up with something for that...

[Cordell]

I did not understand the question, my fault.

 

Individual times do not matter, only the final average matters. Whoever gets closest to their final average without going over/under wins.

 

I don't see anything about a tie in the rules, so I guess we will need to come up with something for that...

 

So what your saying is 10.0 you'll likely win, 9.999 and you lost? As far as the average goes at the end.

 

I don't think we need to worry much about a tie, as even if the time sheet only goes 3 decimal places the chances of a tie are slim to none. Even if the average was identical, it could just be solved by throwing out the fastest time and reaveraging. That would reward the most consitant.

[DTA09]

In the event of a tie and 3 decimal places isn't enough I believe in the tower it goes our to 5.

[wagner]

So what your saying is 10.0 you'll likely win, 9.999 and you lost? As far as the average goes at the end.

 

I don't think we need to worry much about a tie, as even if the time sheet only goes 3 decimal places the chances of a tie are slim to none. Even if the average was identical, it could just be solved by throwing out the fastest time and reaveraging. That would reward the most consitant.

 

Yep, better to be over than under. I would rather have a plan in place for a tie, because knowing my luck the first time ever running one of these it will happen...

[Cordell]

Yep, better to be over than under. I would rather have a plan in place for a tie, because knowing my luck the first time ever running one of these it will happen...

 

You are not being clear when you leave it open like that. If you want to set the rules then set the rules, if you can't have your average under the index then just say that is breaking out and an automatic loss.

[wagner]

You are not being clear when you leave it open like that. If you want to set the rules then set the rules, if you can't have your average under the index then just say that is breaking out and an automatic loss.

 

You want your average to be as close as possible to whatever you have signed up for. There is no "breaking out", just whoever is closest to the average.

[wagner]

What I mean by being over is speaking to a strategy more than anything.

 

Its easier to get closer to the average by being just a little bit slower (or over) than being to fast and going under from what I understand.