Ackbar00 Posted December 5, 2016 Report Share Posted December 5, 2016 Not trying to be an ass or nothing. I just cant see spending that kind of coin. I was diehard for years with my 410 Windsor. Should have sold it all and built a 5.3. And RPM on an LSx is just a Cam / Valve spring swap away. And for the most part, your going to do that anyway. I think after you dump this amount of coin into your car, you will look back at it and be like, Why? I know I did. Seems like you would have learned that lesson with your 3.8. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iwashmycar Posted December 5, 2016 Report Share Posted December 5, 2016 In the first post it was touted as close to or cost neutral. Except for all the blood, sweat, and tears that is....but isnt that half the reason we tinker with this shit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toph6888 Posted December 5, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2016 In the first post it was touted as close to or cost neutral. Except for all the blood, sweat, and tears that is....but isnt that half the reason we tinker with this shit? Yah, with the crate motor, not so much cost neutral anymore lol. But it will be the right engine to go with in the end for what I want and where it will just (hopefully) work right. I've learned to just do it once, do it right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toph6888 Posted December 5, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2016 I think after you dump this amount of coin into your car, you will look back at it and be like, Why? I know I did. Seems like you would have learned that lesson with your 3.8. I've had this car for a long time, and I've always (more or less) enjoyed working on the car. If you look at it as just the sum of its parts, of course its never going to be worth the money. The knowledge I gained from building the 3.8, and from all the troubleshooting, tuning, suspension changes/adjustments, figuring out brake bias, learning electrical, being able to fix my other cars, my fiance's car, the outback that I owed $3k on that my brother blew up the engine and then I was able to fix and sell for a $1000 profit, thats where my value is. I get people don't like the coyote, thats fine. But thats what I'm going with, so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littleguy Posted December 5, 2016 Report Share Posted December 5, 2016 Good on you, enjoying seeing this build come together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS69 Posted December 5, 2016 Report Share Posted December 5, 2016 Interesting in your progress also, keep the peanut gallery updated on your progress. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackbar00 Posted December 6, 2016 Report Share Posted December 6, 2016 I've had this car for a long time, and I've always (more or less) enjoyed working on the car. If you look at it as just the sum of its parts, of course its never going to be worth the money. The knowledge I gained from building the 3.8, and from all the troubleshooting, tuning, suspension changes/adjustments, figuring out brake bias, learning electrical, being able to fix my other cars, my fiance's car, the outback that I owed $3k on that my brother blew up the engine and then I was able to fix and sell for a $1000 profit, thats where my value is. I get people don't like the coyote, thats fine. But thats what I'm going with, so I "like" it a lot. I really hope its all you expect it is, just cant justify its cost to me. Then again, you don't have to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toph6888 Posted December 12, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2016 Ahh, fresh crate motor. Was a fun friday. Comes in a pretty nice crate from ford. A good idea to read the full description from Ford though. See if you can find out whats missing.... passenger side: Driver side: Originally thought ford just messed up, but in their actual description they list the motor as ONLY coming with a passenger side header, no drive side. Hah. Ohh well, not a big deal since I was gonna trash them anyways because I have long tubes. Had to figure out a way to get the engine out as the boom on my hoist didn't have enough reach and the legs were getting in the way of the pallet, so we had to essentially jack up the pallet and put it on some jackstands to pull the new motor our and put the F150 motor in to hopefully help sell it. Got everything moved around. Just waiting on a couple more AC/powersteering/oil filter relocation parts to come in the mail. Gonna hopefully get the accessories and exhaust manifolds mounted on the engine and then will get the bay cleaned up of a couple things/clearance for the IMRC valves on the back of the 15+ intake this week/weekend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron Posted December 12, 2016 Report Share Posted December 12, 2016 Nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toph6888 Posted December 19, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2016 Couple small things over the weekend. Got the engine mounts ("bolt on", only required just a little clearancing with a small dremmel bit as the holes were just slightly too close together). Also got the oil filter relocation adapter on from MMR. Nice piece. Also got the adapter brackets from Power by the Hour on for adapting the 99-04 accessories onto a coyote engine. Coyotes don't have hydraulic powersteering, and with the hydroboost I will need the hydraulics. This kit mounts the powersteering and AC compressor in the stock 99-04 locations, then flips the alternator in front of the engine. I still need to buy one more adapter bracket for the alternator. The kit I got I was told was for the newer engines and use a coyote alternator, but was actually the older coyote engines and use the 99-04 alternator. (thanks a lot craigslist, ohh well. Same price I would have paid so no real foul). The older Alternator bracket has you drill into a boss in the timing cover and tap for a support for the alternator bracket, but my timing cover doesn't have that boss. So the new bracket I ordered will bolt to two existing timing cover bolts and a third strut bolt off of the block and is all billet aluminum, so will be the better bracket to run in the future anyways, and will let me use the coyote alternator that I already have. Finally, mocked up a long tube to see what we would have. Next week will be my big push in trying to get everything into the car and the wiring set up so hopefully that all goes well and I don't miss any of the wiring between the new system ford made and my current oem wiring that I can gut most of it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miller Posted December 19, 2016 Report Share Posted December 19, 2016 Not trying to be an ass or nothing. I just cant see spending that kind of coin. I was diehard for years with my 410 Windsor. Should have sold it all and built a 5.3. And RPM on an LSx is just a Cam / Valve spring swap away. And for the most part, your going to do that anyway. I think after you dump this amount of coin into your car, you will look back at it and be like, Why? I know I did. Seems like you would have learned that lesson with your 3.8. I've seen a lot stranger projects. The coyote motors are extremely durable and they're also economic in comparison to a junkyard lsx. A coyote powered new edge is going to move out in comparison to an s197/s550. That's awesome. Have fun man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B3NN3TT Posted December 19, 2016 Report Share Posted December 19, 2016 Totally jealous. My Bullitt needs a Coyote swap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iwashmycar Posted December 19, 2016 Report Share Posted December 19, 2016 :drool: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toph6888 Posted December 28, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2016 Had a couple days off from work, so managed to get some more things done. Before Xmas: Got my new alternator bracket in since the 15+ timing cover doesn't have some of the bosses their standard alternator bracket needs, also the standard bracket doesnt work with the coyote alternator. I have an F150 alternator, and it looks like the housings are just slightly different in terms of where the case bolts line up, so a little grinding was needed ("Bolt on"!) alternator needed a bit of clearancing as well for the belt tensioner and a timing cover bolt Got that all on and lined up, and then realized the alternator pulley is too short to line up with the other accessories, BAH! Turns out Power By the Hour has a longer alternator pulley that you have to use. Man, they know how to throw in almost everything you need. So that is on order, should be here shortly. In the meantime, mockup: Also had to nudge the AC lines off of the compressor a half inch or so to get it past the stud the alternator bracket connects to. All the accessories in place: Fastforward to yesterday Got the engine ready to drop off teh stand. Pulled off accessories as they will be easy to install in the car, and also pulled off the manifold/fuel rails. I love the modular. 10bolts, 4 sensor connectors and the 8 fuel injector connectors and it pulls off all in one piece. Got the engine on the ground to start with the clutch and flywheel. I didn't bother taking any photos of that because its a boring clutch and flywheel install. I did however manage to forget to buy flywheel bolts, so I ran down to jegs, and they only had $45 ARP flywheel bolts. So at least my flywheel is held on with some bitchin bolts. After we got the clutch in the transmission slid on pretty easily. Decided to go for broke and put the exhasut on as well. Worked out well because I had to reuse some studs with the long tubes because they only included 11 bolts (I need 16, bah). Tried putting it in, and the passenger header has a pipe that is pretty far forward that just kept grabbing on the k member and couldn't get it in. So we pulled it back out and pulled off the passenger header and starter. They will suck putting in in the car, but its doable and I was getting tired and just wanted it in. After about an hour or so of fucking with it going in twice (out once haha) we got it in. I mocked up the intake manifold to see if the CMCV (charge motion control valve in the intake manifold, one of the big updates for 2015+ coyote motors) would clear the firewall, and they seem to be good. Also checked where the radiator, alternator and overflow bottle will sit. Will have to make some small adjustments to the rad fan I think to get the bottle under the hood, but overall it looks pretty Bad Ass to me. Old turbo v6 set up for comparison Hoping over the rest of the week to at least get the other exhaust manifold on, intake manifold completely on and start messing with the wiring and the gauges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKilbourne Posted December 28, 2016 Report Share Posted December 28, 2016 Dude. Love it!!! I need to see her in person for sure. It will feel like a new car too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron Posted December 28, 2016 Report Share Posted December 28, 2016 congratulations, big step in the right direction! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_buster Posted December 28, 2016 Report Share Posted December 28, 2016 So will the bigger motor change how the suspension reacts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeitgeist57 Posted December 28, 2016 Report Share Posted December 28, 2016 That looks like it was supposed to be there the whole time. :thumbup: I remember when you had the Mustang somewhere where you had to drive a couple hours just to get some work done on it. A little sad to think you spent all that effort only to quickly slide a new V8 in no time flat. So.............are Coyote/Voodoo V8-swaps into Fox-Body/SN95 chassis the next big thing in affordable swaps? What's going to knock the LS off it's pillar? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toph6888 Posted December 28, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2016 So will the bigger motor change how the suspension reacts? Weight wise I don't think its going to be much difference. The v6 (iron block) had quite a bit of weight. Ford books listed the 3.8L at around 380-400# without accessories. Ford lists the 5.0L coyote (aluminum block, aluminum pistons, plastic intake) at ~420ish# without accessories. Accessories are pretty much a wash between the two. Plus with the V8 I drop all the turbo piping, turbocharger, intercooler piping, and intercooler, which all fits in front of the wheels, so I have dropped a lot of weight off of the front of the car. I'm hoping all the suspension changes will be positive as it should be slightly weight down, and inboard the wheels now. I'm hoping for a lot better turn in. That looks like it was supposed to be there the whole time. :thumbup: I remember when you had the Mustang somewhere where you had to drive a couple hours just to get some work done on it. A little sad to think you spent all that effort only to quickly slide a new V8 in no time flat. So.............are Coyote/Voodoo V8-swaps into Fox-Body/SN95 chassis the next big thing in affordable swaps? What's going to knock the LS off it's pillar? Yah, that was about 4 years ago. It worked at the time, and while it sucks giving up on the 6, it was time and I had someone who is continuing on with it, so its not gone forever. Just on to a new owner. A lot of fox/sn95 guys are wanting coyote swaps, the motors are still hella pricey compared to building something else. I wanted to get away from the custom bit and make my targets of 400whp/400wtq without having to go boost. The 4.6L can make good power with boost, but they have other issues too. By staying NA now I can go higher power in the future if I want to without being limited by the motor that needed boost to hit 400 initially. Besides, everyone knows the main reason to do a coyote swap is to make changing the spark plugs easier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toph6888 Posted January 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2017 Managed to get most of the random parts into the car yesterday. Brought over my engine brace that mounts above the engine on the fenders to lift the engine up so that we could get the passenger long tube in. got it in and realized that it was right up on the passenger frame rail when we dropped the engine back into the k member, so we had to jack it back up again and bash the fuck out of the one runner. Now I have roughly 1/4"-1/2" clearance along most of it. On the very back it gets closer to that 1/4", but hopefully will be ok. Also fitted the intake manifold and gained a bit of clearance on the back of the manifold where the pneumatic actuator for the CMCV. Then my phone died from the cold. But we were able to also get the clutch cable in, ac compressor on, steering rack, throttle pedal with new adapter bracket and shifter for the T56 into the car. Checked the driveshaft, its roughly 1/2" too long and the yoke doesn't match the transmission output shaft. So I will either have to find an 03/04 cobra driveshaft or get mine shortened and a new yoke. Put the cold air intake on and the water overflow bottle to check for hood clearance. Had to take off the fan shroud as that was binding up on the bottle/intake, but with that off I will be able to close the hood with about 1/4" - 1/2", so ultimatly no clearancing was needed on the car to fit the coyote engine in there, like it was made for it. Hopefully later this weekend I will get a chance to start taking out a bunch of the oem wiring so I can replace it with the new body harness from the Ford Control Pack kit. Need to finish: Wiring Driveshaft Fuel system Gauges Fluids Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Brian Posted January 1, 2017 Report Share Posted January 1, 2017 put the turbo on the coyote Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toph6888 Posted January 20, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2017 Not too much of an update, but last night I took the 03 cobra driveshaft I bought last week in Toledo and lined it up and it went on nice and quick. Initially the splines weren't lining up but after fidiling with it for a couple mins it finally popped in. So the drivetrain is now connected to the rear diff/suspension. Also test fit the mid pipe. Originally when I put it on the passenger side was off by about 1" and the pipes were hitting the trans tunnel. Crawled out from under the car to look it over, and then noticed "BBK" was upside down. Flipped it up and it fit on pretty well. Who would have thought the x pipe was freaking directional. At least no welding will be needed. Also fitted up the coolant temp sensor into the heater hose inlet to the heater core since that is the simplest place to get the heat. There is a bung you can use down by the oil filter attachment, but the oil filter relocation and the engine mount are kinda of in the way so I will just use the heater hose temp and compare against datalogs to make sure its well enough in the ballpark. Saturday will be a big push. Gonna try to get the interior out so I can start getting the rollbar in and get all the old wiring out, try to get some gauges mounted and new body wiring loom run as well as finish up the fuel tank/lines/regulator and maybe even finish the powersteering pump/hose/lower coolant hose. Overall things are going together pretty quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron Posted January 20, 2017 Report Share Posted January 20, 2017 Did you end up doing opg? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iwashmycar Posted January 20, 2017 Report Share Posted January 20, 2017 I love the headers. Very Roadkill! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toph6888 Posted January 20, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2017 Did you end up doing opg? I decided to hold off for now. If it was an older engine or one pulled out of a car I would, but since this is a fresh crate engine I want to make sure everything runs right and whatnot before I break into it. overall its not crazy difficult to get into the engine bay with this engine compared to what the v6 and all the turbo stuff was lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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