cmoosego Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 so long story short I made a wise decision going with my zuki c-50 instead of the HD 1200 sportster I originally wanted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
that dude Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 Because the utterly vast majority of them are weekend warriorers that think 20 miles a month to the bar and back every weekend is a hell of a lot of riding. You should see the looks I get when I tell some of them that I go through 3 sets of tires a year, it's unfathomable to them.again has to do with whats sitting on top of the bike. if it's a cruiser I generally won't wave first unless it's a Goldwing (i love those guys, there's some great riders) or other obvious metric cruiser.The old timers are the best. Those are the guys that know it's not the best, know it's issues and still love them. they've got nothing to prove and could give a damn if you do either. they'll talk to you at a fuel stop, shoot the shit and ask where your going and how far they could ride with you till you gotta split. I love the old timers, they ride to ride, not to be cool when their on their way into the office, I've got an uncle like this and as much as he bitches about the bikes, he'll never own anything different. I know several die hard HD owners, they hate the bikes. always something broken, everything costs a fortune for them, and there's always something that needs a fixing. To me thats not a bike, it's an obligation. If i wanted one of those i'd get married. I pull my bike out of the garage, thumb the starter, strap my helmet on, and go. no warming up, not fussing with that or this, nothing. and about every 3-4k miles i change plugs and oil. about.If you need to buy a different bike to justify slowing down, you need some serious work. EVERY bike ever created, no matter by whom, has had a throttle. ALL of them, and I have yet to see one make without a speedo of some sort, hell even HD throws on leather tassels like my little cuz's tricycle on the handle bars so you can tell if your moving. I hate HD because I'm an intelligent person. You cannot sell me shit and claim it's gold. I know better. I live eat and breathe mechanics. It's what I do. I drag race, I street race, I road race. I built my first 10 second small block at age 15. I spec'd my first cam at 22, it went into a 2001 Trans Am that put 433hp/402lbs/ft tq to the wheels. I know why things work and I'm obsessed with the internal combustion engine.Harley Davidson has failed miserably at this. Their engine is such a joke it's not even funny. for christs sake VW gave up on the air cooled engine. let it go. The sound they tried to trademark is caused by a faulty engineering design that will, and it's a scientific fact, eventually rattle it's self appart. They are cursed with unholy vibrations that they 'solved' with rubber mounts. No shit? rubber mounts? they used them in cars 60 years ago and HD just figured it out what, 6 years ago?! seriously? Beyond that scope every other manufacturer (almost, cheappo cars still use rubber) has switched to a harder, more aggressive compound like urethane or even solid mounts to improve chassis response and make the most out of their engines. they've done this because they've evolved their engines, making them smoother and less vibrations by balancing the internal parts and making them spin in unisom. The auto industry spends billions a year working on NHV (Noise Harshness and Vibrations) on their engines. HD slaps an old irrigation pump in a frame and tells you it's what all the cool kids are riding, don't you wanna be like peter fonda? and charges your a kings ransom for it.Jap bikes, sport bikes specifically use the engine as a structural part of the frame they are designed and redesigned every 2 years, even the small 600cc variants make 2x the HP of HD's largest offereing, they have twin beam chassis with inverted forks, their all aluminum magnesium and other exotic metals and are ultra lightweight pumping out upwards of 190 hp in the new Gixxers. All that for less than 10 grand. A base HD will run you 12 grand. that gets you an 883cc engine designed in 1910 that produces a whopping 42hp (be carefull with that!), forks designed in 1950, and admission to the flock. You still need to throw on 100 lbs of chrome at about 500 dollars, you need the HD gear to show which flock you belong to, not a riding jacket, i mean tee's, jeans boots to PROVE to everyone that you OWN a HD, you don't actually have to ride it, just so long as you own it, and the kicker is the HD window sticker for the back of your lexus, and the license plate bracket that says "I'd rather be riding my XLVSGHETHERTUDLKJJVDOW Harley Davidson" even though it's 80 degrees and sunny out. The people are a big bitch, but my biggest is that they are junk. Period, any real mechanic who know HOW an engine works, not just someone who can change parts, someone who knows how and why air flows through and engine and what makes it tick, someone with gasoline in their veins. since someone is bound to bring up the new wonder shitpile the twin cam let me explain that to you. They need chains and sprockets for the cams at 30k miles. which isn't really a problem since most of them never make it that far in the first 5 owners. It's a fact, I know 3 people with them that actually RIDE the damn things, and they all complain about it.Now, let me explain what HD did here. they took one cam out, seperated it so each cylinder has it's own cam, almost like a SOHC setup. However they knew that if they put the cams on top of the cylinders, there would be many upset sheep in the flock, and they might rebel. so they put TWO cams in the motor, essencially doubling the frictional losses of a single cam. thats all they changed. no wonderus head improvements, well nothing worth speaking of anyways, no fantastic exotic valve train, nothing. they doubled the friction losses of a single cam, and called it an upgrade. and the sheep were happy. What amazes me is HD has the POTENTIAL to be an amazing company. THIS is why I dispise them with every fiber of my being. They are utter hill jacks that are content with making crap. below 4500RPMS a 2valve head is VASTLY superior to a 4v head. 20lbs/ft tq at 2000 rpms is instantly noticable, 20hp at 10,000 is not. Torque is what moves you, and lets face it, a heavy ass cruiser spends most of it's life at or below 3k rpms. a 4v head here (and in luxury cars for that matter) is a bain, not a blessing. There are things going on inside a cylinder with air swiriling and things burning that a 2v head greatly excentuates. With a GOOD head design, a SOHC, or cam in block setup and some liquid cooling HD could easily catch up, maybe not to todays standards, but to at least the late 90's. Wht they should do is copy the LSx cylinder head. It's a work of art. In automotive terms it's pure sex. the best cylinder heads ever produced, they flow like mad at low lift, and high (low lift is what really counts, the valve is at half lift 2x and only at peak lift for a millionth of a second, something like 90% of the air injested into the clyinder happens below 1/2 lift, think about that) they have exceptional swirl, the air enters the cylinder in a tornado vortex, spiraling down, and as the piston comes back up it squishes this tonado making it go even faster untill the plug fires, which on a the LSx 2v head is right at the top outside of the tornado making a perfect burn. 4v heads don't do this, infact they prohibit this, the plug is smack dead in the center of a dead spot and it really can't be moved, and up untill about 5k rpms they are nororiously inefficient. they have shitty emmissions, and due to low speed filling issues, make much less tq. HD could capitalize on this making a high tq low speed motor, which for a cruiser would be ideal. and as much as I love to race, there's millions of people out there who just want to turn the key and go. Okay this is long, no one is gonna read it, i'm done. im guessing your like me and f-n hate harleys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V4junkie Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 Thanks That Dude for quoting that whooooooole post. Dweezel, 1 million rep to you. Said it better than I could (or had the patience for). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magley64 Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 Harley? A company that no longer sells motorcycles, but reproductions of antiques...I have more respect for a guy who bought the 47 IN 47, and maintained it...the guy I get annoyed with is the douchebag that bought the brand new (same exact bike as it was in 47) and rides 3 blocks in his pirate bandanna, leather vest, and parks it in front of the bar.the image some people see "don't look at me, i'm a badass"the image i see "please look at me, do i look enough like a badass? should i have spent more money on chrome? can you hear my pipes? let me blip the throttle" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disclaimer Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 Huh. Sounds like a lot of sport bike riders I know if you replace chrome with carbon fiber stickers and aluminum slip ons. Srsly. My penis was so small, I had to buy two sportbikes. Now, it's much larger. Though, I guess that's still not compensating as much as a single HD Bagger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowwolf Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 In all honesty,there's as many jap. parts on a new HD as there are on a Honda Goldwing,the attitude comes from the people riding them,it seems there are as many jerks with attitude on both,personally,I don't care what anyone rides,we've all got our preferences and reasons for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChickOn2 Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 I always did wonder why 98% of the HD riders I see on the road just plain ole refuse to wear safety gear of any kind, nor do they have passengers wear safety gear? And let female passengers wear open toe sandals and no helmet, no nothing...? That just always struck me as odd. Some kind of HD culture.. I'm too sexy for my helmet type sh*t, or what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
that dude Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 I always did wonder why 98% of the HD riders I see on the road just plain ole refuse to wear safety gear of any kind, nor do they have passengers wear safety gear? And let female passengers wear open toe sandals and no helmet, no nothing...? That just always struck me as odd. Some kind of HD culture.. I'm too sexy for my helmet type sh*t, or what?its all about the image of being seen..if you wear gear, noone knows its you..at least wear a fucking helmet and some pants..but then again who gives a fuck, its them not me. fuck harleys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magley64 Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 That would still be considered selling motorcycles. Yes, i suppose you're right, but I don't consider them motorcycles anymore...they are antiques. Butt jewlery. They have the same form as an old motorcycle, but no longer serve the same function. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
that dude Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 i love butt jewlery in women Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AOW Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 I personally don't have any issues with Hd Riders. Granted, there are some here who do. the v-rod is the only bike in their inventory putting out respectable power....and that was with the help of Porsche. you are truly a wise man.Harley? A company that no longer sells motorcycles, but reproductions of antiques...I have more respect for a guy who bought the 47 IN 47, and maintained it...the guy I get annoyed with is the douchebag that bought the brand new (same exact bike as it was in 47) and rides 3 blocks in his pirate bandanna, leather vest, and parks it in front of the bar.I couldn't agree more. I actually have couple of friends that bought their HD 2yrs before I got mine. They just recently racked up a whole 2k miles on their bike and were proud of themselves. The bike is 4yrs old and has just now turned 2k miles? I put 1500 miles on my bike the first month I owned it. Hell, I just racked up another 1500 miles over this past weekend. Would have been more, but I have rules about being drunk and riding!im guessing your like me and f-n hate harleys the airhead Harleys are soon gonna be a thing of the past thanks to the wise EPA, not sure what all those die hard drones are gonna do when that happens. Someone made mention of the vibrations and use of rubber engine mounts, the vibrations are the biggest marketing tool HD has, and their old and faithful followers purchase the bikes for that HD "rumble" The rubber mounts were installed by the moco in hopes of decreasing the other failures caused by the excessive vibes. They then (in 2008 I believe) redesigned the rubber mounts, at the demands of their faithful followers, de-engineered the vibration reducing mounts to allow for more vibrations. They have the capability to produce a great bike and product, but they're just so busy pandering to their airhead faithful. I don't blame them, because it's those drones that spend thousands of dollars a year adding chrome and tassle do dads to pimp their rides. Not to mention that HD makes 70% of their profit on their motor clothes division and not the actual bike. Most of HD's bikes are marginal products at best, but they haven't asked for a bailout yet, so I can't blame them for pandering to the old faithful airheads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catman Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 I like them harleys and gonna build one next , but don't realy have any desire to ride one ?? I have riden many and don't care for them at all. maybee as i get older ?? I get mass attitude from them HD guys though. If i blow past, even saftly, I get the finger. If i wave I get nothing back, At the spot I get snickering and at poker runs they start a bom fire with a jap bike and hoop and holler like idiots, or pay to smash one with a sledge ??? Brand bashing goes both ways !!Love those guys !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casper Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 My penis used to be very small. Then I bought 2 Ducatis. Now I have a vagina. I just LOL'd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zr900twin Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 to me, if you ride, its all good no matter what you ride. i do ride both hd and sport bike, have had several of both, by myself i like to ride sport, with the wife we'll take the hd. and i do still wear a full face helmet on both. its all about ridin ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hue jass Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 Huge wave, rider! I actually like Harley. Anything with a large displacement twin is definitely an unforgettable experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmagicglock Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 holy thread resurrection batman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanya1604 Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 I am so sick of hd. I go back and forth on whether or not to wave. Today I decided to wave and what do you know. He was too good to take his hand off his hog. Anyway, unless they wave first, I'm done tryin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buildit Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 Not a fan of the HD mentality but I treat each rider as an individual. Hell, I've had sport bike riders not wave at me on the V-strom. If they don't wave back I don't care, maybe they didn't see me? I just try to be friendly and my wave simply means, "I'm haveing a blast, hope you are too"! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikera67 Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 I'll wave, don't care if you wave back, I've been out of high school a couple decades..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerik Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 I'll generally wave at anyone on a bike (and actually stopped to ask a HD guy if he needed help by the road last week), but there's definitely a contingent of yuppies and mid-lifers that bought Harleys and now are totally badass bikers all the way to Starbucks and back. Those guys are pustules. Other than that, I don't hate anyone based on what they ride.Unless it's nicer than mine.Wait, I guess I hate everyone. Oh well, fuggit.Anyway, it's like my buddy's sticker (on the side of his Triumph Thunderbird) says: "15 grand and 15 miles don't make you a biker."Hurr hurr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strictly Street Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerik Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 Lmao. *cough* Bikes with names are ghey too! *cough*(goes out to the garage and tells Sleipnir, "I didn't mean you, baby, never you...")Heh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod38um Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 Here in Portsmouth we have "the nations oldest motorcycle club".... all harleys. The club is located on front street next to the flood wall which has all the murals on it. Its sort of a tourist drawl...... Anyway, Last year while just cruising around town on my RR I decided to cruise by the murals a couple times. I passed by the club and some members are sitting out on their picnic tables just killing time. They just stare me down with this bad ass look on their face..... lol, I wave at them anyway, heck I dont care....A few days later I drive by in the truck, all the guys are sitting out there again, I look over and nod my head, they all throw a hand up, lol..... nothing but attitude.I know some of these guys are good guys but I almost think jealousy thing...... here's their page: http://www.portsmouthmc.net/index.shtml Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V4junkie Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 (goes out to the garage and tells Sleipnir, "I didn't mean you, baby, never you...")Lolz, nice name. I don't feel like the forum nerd anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V4junkie Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 Hey, a three legged dog gets the sympathy vote. Sleipnir, well . . . gets to fight ligers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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