jbot Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 1. is there such a thing as a super moto with decent fuel capacity (as in, can go 120+ miles on a tank)?2. can you get any sort of wind protection on a motard? It doesn't need to be huge and all encompassing, but just enough to block some wind from the helmet while hunched/tucked3. can you get "comfy" super moto seats?on the other hand, coming from a different perspectivea. is there such a thing as a light dual sport that isn't made ONLY for incredibly tall people? Asians (minus yao ming) aren't really well known for being tall. for weight, i'm thinking >350lbs or even less if possible.b. can a dual sport be shod with say... touring street tires like a pilot road 2ct and have decent suspension?c. are dual sports cheap to fix so i'm not so paranoid about dropping it while riding around the roads in SE ohio?I thought I'd get opinions from people who have ridden one or both types of bikes. I'm guessing it's a "get a super moto or a dual sport, numb nuts" but I'm hoping there is a compromise to be made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palandor Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 I don't have experience with a sumo...For dual sports, yes, there are multiple light dual sports less than 350 lbs wet weight that work for shorter people. I'm 5'8"-ish and sit on an xt225 with a 32" seat. It's comfy for me. I wouldn't make it into a sumo though because the hp/torque are small, but there are other DS bikes out there with a bit more power and less seat.Don't forget you can always shave the seat padding or change the suspension height to get a lower seat height. So, a 36" on a dr350se can be thinned down to probably 34.5" tall.It's all about priorities! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4DAIVI PAI2K5 Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 No, but they are fun as shitttt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moto-Brian Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 Everything you are asking for is either going to be found in a MUCH slower and less than capable Sumo style machine. Wide comfy seat, lower seat height, larger fuel capacity, etc are all anti-descriptors for a Sumo machine.That being said, you can get extended range fuel tanks for almost every MX based platform nowadays. So, you can get more fuel range.Seat is going to be an issue along with height. TRUE supermoto machines are designed to be jumped. Something with a lower seat height will be something in what we call play bike range or very much a weever bike that you will NOT enjoy.Wind protection? Buy a Goldwing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carwhore Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 there are race leather seats that are better than stock. If you're worried about the wind quit bitching its a sumo. get a 6-speed one. can cruise at highway speeds alot easier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbot Posted February 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 let me pose the questions this way:I'm not a stranger to naked bikes, as I'm coming from a 1125cr. How much worse is a sumo for being beat up by the wind at higher speeds? here is a 1125cr in case people are not familiar with them.For seat height, I'm about 5'7" with something like a 30-32" in seam. Can I expect to get at least 1 foot down on the ground? or tippy toes with both? Am I going to have to find a step ladder to actually get on the thing? lolas for comfy seats, the street riding we do goes anywhere from 250 - 500 miles of twisties (and minimum of 90 miles of straight roads both ways from my house to SE ohio and back). Am I going to feel like I was doing it with black tod after each ride? I'm guessing I can reupholster the seats myself, but if there are aftermarket seats available, that would be handy to know.Basically, if my 1125cr was like... 100lbs lighter (it weighs about 400lbs dry), I would just have kept it. but sadly, to be in that weight range with nude bikes, i'm looking at sumos and dual sports from the looks of things. just trying to figure out if there was some way to get a sumo to fit the bill, or a dual sport to fit the bill, or a mix of both. This will be my only street bike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rawlins87 Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 Brrrraaaaaaapppp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4DAIVI PAI2K5 Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 let me pose the questions this way:I'm not a stranger to naked bikes, as I'm coming from a 1125cr. How much worse is a sumo for being beat up by the wind at higher speeds? here is a 1125cr in case people are not familiar with them.For seat height, I'm about 5'7" with something like a 30-32" in seam. Can I expect to get at least 1 foot down on the ground? or tippy toes with both? Am I going to have to find a step ladder to actually get on the thing? lolas for comfy seats, the street riding we do goes anywhere from 250 - 500 miles of twisties (and minimum of 90 miles of straight roads both ways from my house to SE ohio and back). Am I going to feel like I was doing it with black tod after each ride? I'm guessing I can reupholster the seats myself, but if there are aftermarket seats available, that would be handy to know.Basically, if my 1125cr was like... 100lbs lighter (it weighs about 400lbs dry), I would just have kept it. but sadly, to be in that weight range with nude bikes, i'm looking at sumos and dual sports from the looks of things. just trying to figure out if there was some way to get a sumo to fit the bill, or a dual sport to fit the bill, or a mix of both. This will be my only street bike. There is no such thing as high speed or long distance on a sumo. You'll have frequent gas stops but even more frequent giggles and smiles. trailer that bitch down to my place when you guys wanna ride down south Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue03636 Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 Jbot, while you are at it pick me up some sumoto rims for my crf250. Damn them being expensive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbot Posted February 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 There is no such thing as high speed or long distance on a sumo. You'll have frequent gas stops but even more frequent giggles and smiles. trailer that bitch down to my place when you guys wanna ride down southdarn. i guess if i get something that can handle a higher tongue weight, i could get one of those handy dandy single bike carrier things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jporter12 Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 Just get a sumo already. If MidgetTodd could ride one, you can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbot Posted February 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 well, i JUST got the buell sold, so i haven't been looking long lolwell, not seriously looking, anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zach Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 1. is there such a thing as a super moto with decent fuel capacity (as in, can go 120+ miles on a tank)?Most stock dualsports/supermotos have around a 2 gal tank with a 100-120 mile range. Larger aftermarket tanks are available.2. can you get any sort of wind protection on a motard? It doesn't need to be huge and all encompassing, but just enough to block some wind from the helmet while hunched/tuckedSome people have been known to affix windshields to their DS bikes for just the reason you state. Many options are available.3. can you get "comfy" super moto seats?Yes. There are many aftermarket seat manufacturers that make seats for DS bikes. Prices range from $150-300.on the other hand, coming from a different perspectivea. is there such a thing as a light dual sport that isn't made ONLY for incredibly tall people? Asians (minus yao ming) aren't really well known for being tall. for weight, i'm thinking >350lbs or even less if possible.Less than 350lbs wouldn't be a problem at all. Everything can be lowered. b. can a dual sport be shod with say... touring street tires like a pilot road 2ct and have decent suspension?I believe every DS on the market today comes with cartridge forks and a pretty decent shock, the Yamaha WR250R and KLX250s (and their SuMo brothers) have USD forks. While you may have trouble finding sportbike/sport touring tires in dirtbike sizes, there are many street tires available that will fit DS wheels. With the lighter DS bike, you don't need the greatest in modern grip technology.c. are dual sports cheap to fix so i'm not so paranoid about dropping it while riding around the roads in SE ohio?They're cheap to fix, but even harder to break! I threw my WR down on the Dragon this summer and managed to scuff my hand guard, that's it. These bikes are designed to crash.I thought I'd get opinions from people who have ridden one or both types of bikes. I'm guessing it's a "get a super moto or a dual sport, numb nuts" but I'm hoping there is a compromise to be made.Some of the options out there:KTM and Husky 600cc class bikes: Fast, powerful, excellent components. Expensive to buy and maintain compared to the Japanese, but the performance is incredible.DRZ-400: Heavy and Reliable. Excellent torque and great aftermarket, but a lack of 6th gear leaves many unhappy when it's time to hit the highway.WR250R/X: High-revving Fuel injected 250. 26,000 mile valve inspections and a great suspension package make this thing a blast. Doesn't have the bottom end grunt that the DRZ has, but it makes up for it at the top end. 6 speed.KLX-250S: Really doesn't stack up to the DRZ or WR. Good suspension, Ok motor, minimal aftermarket support.Honda: meh. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zach Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 There is no such thing as high speed or long distance on a sumo. You'll have frequent gas stops but even more frequent giggles and smiles. trailer that bitch down to my place when you guys wanna ride down southDepends on your bike, I guess. I agree with you if you're talking about a converted motocross bike, but I've done 300+ miles on my DS and it'll do 80 all day long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbot Posted February 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 1. is there such a thing as a super moto with decent fuel capacity (as in, can go 120+ miles on a tank)?Most stock dualsports/supermotos have around a 2 gal tank with a 100-120 mile range. Larger aftermarket tanks are available.2. can you get any sort of wind protection on a motard? It doesn't need to be huge and all encompassing, but just enough to block some wind from the helmet while hunched/tuckedSome people have been known to affix windshields to their DS bikes for just the reason you state. Many options are available.3. can you get "comfy" super moto seats?Yes. There are many aftermarket seat manufacturers that make seats for DS bikes. Prices range from $150-300.on the other hand, coming from a different perspectivea. is there such a thing as a light dual sport that isn't made ONLY for incredibly tall people? Asians (minus yao ming) aren't really well known for being tall. for weight, i'm thinking >350lbs or even less if possible.Less than 350lbs wouldn't be a problem at all. Everything can be lowered. b. can a dual sport be shod with say... touring street tires like a pilot road 2ct and have decent suspension?I believe every DS on the market today comes with cartridge forks and a pretty decent shock, the Yamaha WR250R and KLX250s (and their SuMo brothers) have USD forks. While you may have trouble finding sportbike/sport touring tires in dirtbike sizes, there are many street tires available that will fit DS wheels. With the lighter DS bike, you don't need the greatest in modern grip technology.c. are dual sports cheap to fix so i'm not so paranoid about dropping it while riding around the roads in SE ohio?They're cheap to fix, but even harder to break! I threw my WR down on the Dragon this summer and managed to scuff my hand guard, that's it. These bikes are designed to crash.I thought I'd get opinions from people who have ridden one or both types of bikes. I'm guessing it's a "get a super moto or a dual sport, numb nuts" but I'm hoping there is a compromise to be made.Some of the options out there:KTM and Husky 600cc class bikes: Fast, powerful, excellent components. Expensive to buy and maintain compared to the Japanese, but the performance is incredible.DRZ-400: Heavy and Reliable. Excellent torque and great aftermarket, but a lack of 6th gear leaves many unhappy when it's time to hit the highway.WR250R/X: High-revving Fuel injected 250. 26,000 mile valve inspections and a great suspension package make this thing a blast. Doesn't have the bottom end grunt that the DRZ has, but it makes up for it at the top end. 6 speed.KLX-250S: Really doesn't stack up to the DRZ or WR. Good suspension, Ok motor, minimal aftermarket support.Honda: meh.this puts another spin on things.also, on a different topic, i know weight isn't everything, but how much DOES a very "sporty" sumo weigh? obviously, the frame, suspension, etc all has a huge proponent in it, but something like a wrr or xrr seems to be in the 300lbs range.So, for example, if I found a well built xrr or wr-something (not sure what displacements yet... haven't got that far lol) specifically made for sumo duty, seems like it would be well under 350lbs. is that considered heavy by sumo standards? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beegreenstrings Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 Mine averages 84 miles to a tank. That is with the tires changed out to a street tire with a -1 on the front sprocket.2001 XR650l, I am 6'3" and it fits great. The fiance is 5'9" and I would have to lower it for her and soften up the shock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbot Posted February 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 hmmm... the CORE guys will leave me for dead if I tried to stop them every 80 miles.can you get a bigger tank for the xr650l? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zach Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 dry weightsWR250R 276DR-Z 295690 SMC 305SM610 314XR650L 324You can get up to a 6.6 Gal tank for the XRL at justgastanks.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Punk Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 Am I going to feel like I was doing it with black tod after each ride? Yes you will it is a ride requirement. I don't mind stopping around 60 to 85 miles, you should quit riding with those hard C.O.R.E. riders they will wear you out but not in my good way. Trailer that bitch down to my place when you guys wanna ride down southI probably will be doing this in the beginning of the season until my finger gets used to longer rides. It sucks doing that because on a bike its 90 minutes to your place because you can pass as will, I bet it would be two hours pulling a trailer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbot Posted February 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 how about something like this? i've been reading people's review of it, and maybe i'm getting the wrong impression of it...http://www.supermotojunkie.com/showthread.php?110546-2006-Husqvarna-SM610-Austin-TXit's a 2006 husky SM610why can't honda make something like that? lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zach Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 how about something like this? i've been reading people's review of it, and maybe i'm getting the wrong impression of it...http://www.supermotojunkie.com/showthread.php?110546-2006-Husqvarna-SM610-Austin-TXit's a 2006 husky SM610why can't honda make something like that? lolgood bikes! I don't know how much maintenance you're comfortable with, but these can be a little more time consuming than a regular sport bike. that said, they're pretty easy to work on with no fairings or other BS in your way.Long ride comfort on one of these is largely up to the particular rider. Some people can go all day while others can barely last an hour.Nice thing about the 610 is it has enough motor that you could do track days on it and have a ball. Doesn't really have enough motor for the long stretch at Mid-O, but those ROCK in the tight sections. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4DAIVI PAI2K5 Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 Yes you will it is a ride requirement. I don't mind stopping around 60 to 85 miles, you should quit riding with those hard C.O.R.E. riders they will wear you out but not in my good way.I probably will be doing this in the beginning of the season until my finger gets used to longer rides. It sucks doing that because on a bike its 90 minutes to your place because you can pass as will, I bet it would be two hours pulling a trailer.Thats good bud, Im looking at buying a house so maybe Ill have a place for a little party once you get down here. Also if your towing it behind your SS, I know it would only take you like 20 mins to get here haha. how about something like this? i've been reading people's review of it, and maybe i'm getting the wrong impression of it...http://www.supermotojunkie.com/showthread.php?110546-2006-Husqvarna-SM610-Austin-TXit's a 2006 husky SM610why can't honda make something like that? lolI absoultely love the 510 Husky, 610 has a slightly different shroud. I love it also but not as much as the 510 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4DAIVI PAI2K5 Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 dry weightsWR250R 276DR-Z 295690 SMC 305SM610 314XR650L 324You can get up to a 6.6 Gal tank for the XRL at justgastanks.com2006 CRF 450R 219 lb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zach Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 Further Husky info: The SM510 is more like a CRF450 MX motor and the the SM610 is a larger displacement but tamer motor.basically, SM510 is for racing and 610 is for the street. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zach Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 2006 CRF 450R 219 lb I don't think jbot wants to do an oil change and valve adjustment in the middle of a ride every time he heads to SE ohio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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