Moto-Brian Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 So, I needed a set of black bumper wings for my FJ to replace one that was dented from hitting a small deer.They are from the Toyota TT series of FJs and are somewhat hard to come by. Guy advertises a set on the FJ Cruisers forums and I set it up to buy them.Here's where I fudged up. I didn't ask for pics. I know what they are and they were legit TT wings. I didn't ask because the guy stated they were "9 out of 10" in terms of condition. I asked about knicks and scratches, etc. He mentioned they were like new...The guy took 3 weeks to deliver them as he forgot to ship them due to work issues, etc. I was needing them and all the while, nothing else ever popped up... Well... I get the things and they are about a 4 out of 5. Mine have 50k on them and are in better shape outside the dent. Chips, scratches, etc... So, I am pissed. I PM the guy and he states that he'd give me $15 back or send them to him and once he gets them, he'd refund my money.Well, the guy is either an idiot or dishonest as the description wasn't even close. Do I send them back and wait/hope he refunds or do I do something else? $15?? I paid $70 for the set. I could probably get $40 for them as they sit... Just never been burned over the years and not sure what to do. I really hate to send them back with the track record from the guy up until now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flounder Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 how did you pay? just refute the charge since they are not what he said they were. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmh_sprint Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 Send them back but make sure you require a signature for delivery. Include a copy of the e-mail that says he'll refund your money once he receives them and then hope like hell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moto-Brian Posted January 12, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 how did you pay? just refute the charge since they are not what he said they were.PayPal, but I heard that unless bought through Ebay, it is pretty tough to get anything accomplished. Plus, I'd still have to send them back and as CMH mentioned, "hope like hell"...It's not the money, but rather the principal. Plus, I now have to wait and find another set... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natedogg624 Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 Getting a refund is a lot of trust I wouldn't expect from that guy. Sure you could have the docs and eventually win but it's a long process from PPPersonally I'd sell them myself or ask for half refund before you send them back and expect to not get the other half. Depending how upset you are you could call him out on the FJ forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YSR_Racer_99 Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 Tell him that he doesn't know who he's dealing with, and that you'll show up at his house.The $15 isn't any good to you, and neither are the parts. Take a chance and send them back. OR take the $15, then put them on ebay and hope to get $40 for them. But then you're gonna pay about 18% between paypal and ebay fees. Is it something that a body man could clean up for you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
just_some_dude Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 Go to PayPal and make a claim, they offer buyer protection. Do it quick, though because you don't have a lot of time to report the claim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moto-Brian Posted January 12, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 Go to PayPal and make a claim, they offer buyer protection. Do it quick, though because you don't have a lot of time to report the claim.He took over 3 weeks to deliver them and at this stage of back and forth, we are past the 45 days... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max power Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 I tried to get my $ back for an item from Paypal. It was a smoke windscreen that showed up purple.Paypal said color wasn't a reason for a refund!? Good luck, but asking Paypal to get involved is a waste of time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madcat6183 Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 Road trip with said product, insert it in his bum and call it good? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Hunter Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 Send them back and hope for the refund. If you don't get the refund, you've got his address call the authorities local to him. If they don't accomplish anything and it's the principal knock on his door and ask for your $70.On a side note, I've had two or three PayPal claims and they have all been settled in my favor. Have photos ready to go and explain your case with good grammar and thorough detail . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojocho Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 Getting a refund is a lot of trust I wouldn't expect from that guy. Sure you could have the docs and eventually win but it's a long process from PPPersonally I'd sell them myself or ask for half refund before you send them back and expect to not get the other half. Depending how upset you are you could call him out on the FJ forum.Pretty much exactly what I would have have done in the past. hoping to get a refund from some idiot who lied about the condition and then took 3 weeks to send because he was busy is not someone I'd put a lot of trust in. I'd ask for more than the $15. target for $30, settle for $25, and then sell them and get $40 more. Then you are only out $5 plus shipping if that was not part of the $70. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scruit Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 Don't expect paypal to return your money for "condition" as it is a objective thing. They only deal in absolutes.I think he took 3 weeks on purpose to exceed the claim window.I'd send them back and be ready to call him out on the forum if he doesn't come through. Next time, ask for pictures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simplysix Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 Road trip with said product, insert it in his bum and call it good?This!^Or as someone else said, send them back with a signature required on delivery, and keep all the emails invade he tries to dispute the refund Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crb Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 Sounds like he went to through the "shutyourmouth" system Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alienpi Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 I'd just sell it on the FJ forum and state the reasons etc, and then just consider it a lesson learned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
just_some_dude Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 I would not send them back unless he told me in writing he was going to pay me all of my money back. I say just try to get some money back from him and take a small hit as a 'stupid fee'. I've had plenty of stupid fees in my life and I'm not even that old...If they are really that bad and he is refusing to work with you, just tell him you are going to take him to small claims with evidence showing that any reasonable person would not call the product like new. If he still refuses, take him to small claims and have him pay for all the fees on top of what your requesting back from him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scruit Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 You would have to file a small claims action where HE lives. Good luck making that economical, unless it's in the same county. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagger Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 ok so seller said they were a "9 out of 10" but you say they were a "4 out of 5" so.....he says 9/10 and you say 8/10 and that you go ripped off and want your money back?.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moto-Brian Posted January 12, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 ok so seller said they were a "9 out of 10" but you say they were a "4 out of 5" so.....he says 9/10 and you say 8/10 and that you go ripped off and want your money back?..Meant 4 out of 10... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moto-Brian Posted January 12, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 Sounds like he went to through the "shutyourmouth" system Dude, by all means, please introduce yourself sometime so we can iron out just what you are so butt hurt about. Please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crb Posted January 13, 2012 Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 Dude, by all means, please introduce yourself sometime so we can iron out just what you are so butt hurt about. Please.Just spreading it around, I'm probably done now unless you say something else stupid towards me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simplysix Posted January 13, 2012 Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 Just spreading it around, I'm probably done now unless you say something else stupid towards me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crb Posted January 13, 2012 Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 (edited) He started the asshatery, I'm just finishing it. Yea I'm an asshole your point? Edited January 13, 2012 by crb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moto-Brian Posted January 13, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 He started the asshatery, I'm just finishing it. Yea I'm an asshole your point?Dude, please do tell where I started anything against you. I think the bottom line is that you are a guy that gets all butt hurt over little issues online and feel that the real world is hidden within you computer screen. If you just don't like me, that's totally cool. I don't care. But, your 3rd grade attitude and little blurbs of nonsense is getting tiresome and apparently to others.And, about finishing it... Not sure you finished anything other than showing you have almost zero to add... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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