2013 Assault Weapons Ban Summary

[fazer1sniper]

Well, when I posted about the '09 bill that was getting alot of attention on Nov 28th of this year I got alot of heat on here about "fear mongering"......

It was info sent to me from a few friends working intell in Special Op's Command. Fools by any standard for sure.

A month later now...

Stopped working on my chopper and snagged 3 more rifles and 28 mags like a fool clinging to an outdated document penned by long dead right wing extreamists.

It was a blessing that I needed to sell all of my stuff at gun shows to pay for grandma's new hip, kidney and liver and I only have my issue Glock. I guess it's better that threats like me don't own evil inducing objects like the black rifle. Group hug at my place, we can smoke recreational marijuana, discuss the benifits of green energy, decide that notional debt is no big deal, tweet on our obama phones and sing kumbaya around the fire of foreclosed home sighns. Good times.

[speedytriple]

I turned all my guns in at a cleveland gun buy back for a $200 giant eagle gift card. My kids can eat a lot of food it was well worth it.

[scottb]

Is there a list of the proposed banned firearms?

How streamline will any proposals be passed and all the legal challanges?

[C-bus]

..... They're watching......

Edited December 28, 2012 by C-bus

[4DAIVI PAI2K5]

LoL... :grabs crotch: Ban this!

[4DAIVI PAI2K5]

They will put that you have 6 months to get all your guns registered, or else you are a felon. NFA has a 6 month wait currently so for registration of current firearms there would be like a 24 month wait minimum. So 6 months into your wait you are a felon, no weapons for felons. Double trouble your going to prison. Unless you turn those firearms in before the 6 month period.

Prepare for the ass raping fellas.

[CephasGT]

Calm down. That kind of bill would have a hard time passing the Senate, and stands no chance at all of passing the House.

[4DAIVI PAI2K5]

Calm down. That kind of bill would have a hard time passing the Senate, and stands no chance at all of passing the House.

Just like Obama was going to get destroyed in the election?

[C-bus]

Now is not the time to calm down. NOW is the time to get pissed off and act on it.

[AWW$HEEET]

basically any weapon with a detachable mag is capable of accepting a magazine of more than 10 rounds. i wish these "lawmakers" knew what they were actually talking about, before they write this into law. furthermore, they are making gun owners out to be criminals. I wasn't aware that exercising your right to own a weapon(s) was illegal?

Maybe we should change the 19th amendment, and require women voters to complete a new, separate registration. Just to know who they are, and that they pose a certain risk. Her included.

Edited December 28, 2012 by AWW$HEEET

[CephasGT]

Just like Obama was going to get destroyed in the election?

Who in the world was telling you that?

[MidgetTodd]

I would like to offer a solution for those that are scared of the government taking your guns and those that are afraid of prison time for not getting registered it time.

Drop all your guns off to me and I will take the fall for you. NO CHARGE!

[bowdog]

I would like to offer a solution for those that are scared of the government taking your guns and those that are afraid of prison time for not getting registered it time.

Drop all your guns off to me and I will take the fall for you. NO CHARGE!

Says i need to spread rep first!

[ScubaCinci]

There WILL be a ban...it's just a question of what will be banned and what the ancillary stipulations are.

[CephasGT]

What makes you think that any sort of ban will pass the House?

[motozachl]

Ban will never happen. As stated previously the number of arms out there is so immense that its theoretically impossible to enforce

[C-bus]

Ban will never happen. As stated previously the number of arms out there is so immense that its theoretically impossible to enforce

Let's make it so.

[Scruit]

What makes you think that any sort of ban will pass the House?

The number of pro-2a Republicans who are calling for more gun control...

Harry Reid, Jack Kingston, Charles Grassely, Joe Manchin, the list goes on.

I don't think an AWB woudl pass on it's own - I think it would get included into something bigger that the Republicans need and they'd have to let it through. Reid voted against the AWB in '93, but voted FOR the omnibus crime bill in 94 that included the AWB.

[ScubaCinci]

Ban will never happen. As stated previously the number of arms out there is so immense that its theoretically impossible to enforce

So is banning texting while driving but they passed laws on it anyway.

They've banned weapons before and they'll do it again. Espcially since every day we hear about more and more shootings due to the hypersensitivity of the media...and then you have jackholes out there setting shit on fire and shooting at the fireman. A NJ police station was shot up today with 3 officers being shot. These things are only exacerbating the problem.

I don't want a ban, I don't agree with a ban but IMO to believe that it will not happen is naive and wishful thinking. Obama is bent on getting rid of guns. At BEST they'll impose strict licensing restrictions with ongoing fees that most people can't afford. The fuckers can't agree on finance issues and balance a budget but sure as shit they'll agree to some sort restiction in record time.

[CephasGT]

I really don't think they could get anywhere near the votes, even if they tried to bury it in another measure. The Republicans know it's political suicide, and it's equally so for a lot of Southern democrats.

[Tpoppa]

The right to bear arms was a very important concept for the poeple that determined what it means to be an American:

• "Whereas civil-rulers, not having their duty to the people duly before them, may attempt to tyrannize, and as military forces, which must be occasionally raised to defend our country, might pervert their power to the injury of their fellow citizens, the people are confirmed by the article in their right to keep and bear their private arms."-- Tench Coxe, in Remarks on the First Part of the Amendments to the Federal Constitution
  
• "The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed."
  -- Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers at 184-188
  
• If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no recourse left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government, and which against the usurpations of the national rulers may be exerted with infinitely better prospect of success than against those of the rulers of an individual State. In a single State, if the persons entrusted with supreme power become usurpers, the different parcels, subdivisions, or districts of which it consists, having no distinct government in each, can take no regular measures for defense. The citizens must rush tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system, without resource; except in their courage and despair.
  -- Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 28
  
• "That the said Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms ... "
  -- Samuel Adams, Debates and Proceedings in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, at 86-87 (Pierce & Hale, eds., Boston, 1850)
  
• "[The Constitution preserves] the advantage of being armed which Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation...(where) the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms."
  --James Madison, The Federalist Papers, No. 46
  
• "To suppose arms in the hands of citizens, to be used at individual discretion, except in private self-defense, or by partial orders of towns, countries or districts of a state, is to demolish every constitution, and lay the laws prostrate, so that liberty can be enjoyed by no man; it is a dissolution of the government. The fundamental law of the militia is, that it be created, directed and commanded by the laws, and ever for the support of the laws."
  --John Adams, A Defense of the Constitutions of the United States 475 (1787-1788)
  
• "Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretense, raised in the United States. A military force, at the command of Congress, can execute no laws, but such as the people perceive to be just and constitutional; for they will possess the power, and jealousy will instantly inspire the inclination, to resist the execution of a law which appears to them unjust and oppressive."
  --Noah Webster, An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution (Philadelphia 1787).
  
• "Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man against his own bosom. Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an American...[T]he unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people."
  --Tenche Coxe, The Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788.
  
• "Whereas, to preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them; nor does it follow from this, that all promiscuously must go into actual service on every occasion. The mind that aims at a select militia, must be influenced by a truly anti-republican principle; and when we see many men disposed to practice upon it, whenever they can prevail, no wonder true republicans are for carefully guarding against it."
  --Richard Henry Lee, The Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788.
  
• "What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms."
  -- Thomas Jefferson to William Stephens Smith, 1787. ME 6:373, Papers 12:356
  
• "No Free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."
  -- Thomas Jefferson, Proposal Virginia Constitution, 1 T. Jefferson Papers, 334,[C.J. Boyd, Ed., 1950]
  
• "The right of the people to keep and bear ... arms shall not be infringed. A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free country ..."
  -- James Madison, I Annals of Congress 434, June 8, 1789
  
• "What, Sir, is the use of a militia? It is to prevent the establishment of a standing army, the bane of liberty .... Whenever Governments mean to invade the rights and liberties of the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order to raise an army upon their ruins."
  -- Rep. Elbridge Gerry of Massachusetts, spoken during floor debate over the Second Amendment, I Annals of Congress at 750, August 17, 1789
  
• " ... to disarm the people - that was the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
  -- George Mason, 3 Elliot, Debates at 380
  
• " ... but if circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude, that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people, while there is a large body of citizens, little if at all inferior to them in discipline and use of arms, who stand ready to defend their rights ..."
  -- Alexander Hamilton speaking of standing armies in Federalist 29
  
• "Are we at last brought to such humiliating and debasing degradation, that we cannot be trusted with arms for our defense? Where is the difference between having our arms in possession and under our direction, and having them under the management of Congress? If our defense be the real object of them under the management of Congress? If our defense be the real object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands?"
  -- Patrick Henry, 3 J. Elliot, Debates in the Several State Conventions 45, 2d ed. Philadelphia, 1836
  
• "The great object is, that every man be armed ... Every one who is able may have a gun."
  -- Patrick Henry, Elliot, p.3:386
  
• "O sir, we should have fine times, indeed, if, to punish tyrants, it were only sufficient to assemble the people! Your arms, wherewith you could defend yourselves, are gone ..."
  -- Patrick Henry, Elliot p. 3:50-53, in Virginia Ratifying Convention demanding a guarantee of the right to bear arms
  
• "The people are not to be disarmed of their weapons. They are left in full possession of them."
  -- Zacharia Johnson, delegate to Virginia Ratifying Convention, Elliot, 3:645-6
  
• "Certainly one of the chief guarantees of freedom under any government, no matter how popular and respected, is the right of citizens to keep and bear arms ... The right of citizens to bear arms is just one guarantee against arbitrary government, one more safeguard, against the tyranny which now appears remote in America but which historically has proven to be always possible."
  -- Hubert H. Humphrey, Senator, Vice President, 22 October 1959
  
• "The militia is the natural defense of a free country against sudden foreign invasions, domestic insurrections, and domestic usurpation of power by rulers. The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of the republic; since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally ... enable the people to resist and triumph over them."
  -- Joseph Story, Supreme Court Justice, Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States, p. 3:746-7, 1833
  
• " ... most attractive to Americans, the possession of arms is the distinction between a freeman and a slave, it being the ultimate means by which freedom was to be preserved."
  -- James Burgh, 18th century English Libertarian writer, Shalhope, The Ideological Origins of the Second Amendment, p.604
  

Edited December 28, 2012 by Tpoppa

[ScubaCinci]

^^^ good post. Let's hope the current "leaders" heed the wisdom of their predecessors.

[4DAIVI PAI2K5]

I bet we will have yet another mass shooting if not by Jan 3rd then buy the end of Jan.

Edited December 28, 2012 by 4DAIVI PAI2K5

[twowheelsnake]

I bet we will have yet another mass shooting if not buy Jan 3rd then buy the end of Jan.

I thought only the top 1% could purchase days of the month.

[ScubaCinci]

I actually think that pulling a Switzerland and making military service out of high school compulsory might be a good idea. It may straighten a few people out and at the very least educate people on guns and the proper handling of them.

Per wikipedia:

Switzerland has mandatory military service for all able-bodied male citizens, who are conscripted when they reach the age of majority, though women may volunteer for any position.

People determined unfit for service, where fitness is defined as "satisfying physically, intellectually and mentally requirements for military service or civil protection service and being capable of accomplishing these services without harming oneself or others", are exempted from service but pay an additional 3% of annual income tax until the age of 30, unless they are affected by a disability.

Since 1996, conscripts who are found to be sufficiently fit for regular military service, but who object for reasons of conscience, can apply for civilian service. This service consists of various kinds of social services, such as reconstructing cultural sites, helping the elderly and other activities removed from military connotations. Civilian service lasts 340 days, 50% longer than a soldier's regular army service.

Conscripts found to be sufficiently unfit for regular military service, but not for exemption, take part in civil protection, where they may be called on to assist the police, fire or health departments, as well as natural disaster relief and crowd control during demonstrations or events with large attendances.

Then again, for the unbalanced, it would teach them to be more efficient killers :/