I'm not against it' date=' I don't think its torture, and I don't have an issue with torture.[/font'] Things like due process, innocent until proven guilty, etc, etc have a place in civilian courts. Using them as a way to criticize how a military operation is conducted is just naive. The military should not be a reflection of the society that it serves. Do not expect to impose rules that would limit actions unless you are willing to accept defeat. As a matter of conducting business people die in wars, this would not be accepted in society, where do you start to draw the line that makes war equal to civilian life? Criminals are not equal to enemies and should not be treated equally. Due process is not a luxury you have when conducting a war. Are you suggesting we quit using deadly force in war time; instead maybe we should just capture everyone we can and hold civilian trials charging them with disturbing the peace.