Uncle Punk

You leave too damn early, get off of that fucking military time. Have to dress for the climate change when you leave that early plus the roads are slippery from the dew. This time of year 8:30 is about my earliest start time which would mean a 10:00 leave time from Millersburg.

Easy fix to route I posted (Not saying it is "the" route.) 800 north to 26, will save a little bit of time. If we are returning to Millersburg an alternate route would probably be better for him to get home instead of trying to get home from Millersburg. Maybe from Zanesville get on 93 to 83/93 split off from each other there.

For me it's a route choice because I don't know the roads as well from Bolivar plus Millersburg is a 60 miles straight shot down 83 for me. I would still be leaving my place at 9:30 to get to Millersburg and gassed up by 11:00. I'm flexable on route and start time but the earliest I'm willing to leave my place is 8:30 to do a ride.

How late of a start are you looking for and how many miles covered? Meet in Millersburg, leave at 11:00, 355 miles, back in Millersburg at 6:30? http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=S+Washington+St&daddr=OH-78+W%2FOH-83+N+to:OH-78+E%2FWoodsfield+Rd+to:39.62977,-81.22532+to:2nd+St%2FN+Main+St+S+to:OH-7+N%2F5th+Ave%2FN+Main+St+N+to:OH-255+W+to:OH-800+N+to:39.5631139,-81.2057778+to:Greene+St+to:OH-550+W+to:OH-550+W+to:39.53892,-81.95258+to:39.668048,-82.0272123+to:OH-555+S+to:39.924227,-82.0015933+to:Zane+St+to:OH-666+N%2FN+River+Rd+to:W+9th+St+to:40.254287,-82.0492221+to:US-62+E+to:US-62+E+to:40.533988,-81.917643&hl=en&sll=40.533951,-81.917705&sspn=0.001294,0.002575&geocode=FVV_agId9woe-w%3BFfXLXQId2fog-w%3BFZ66XgIdShwm-w%3BFcqzXAIdmJko-ym1anbJa99JiDEXr2_X-_wnkg%3BFQwPWwIdeg8r-w%3BFUqYXAId818t-w%3BFWYbXgIdZmUq-w%3BFeRCXgIdHkkq-w%3BFWmvWwId7-Uo-ymH1GwC1d1JiDGybZl18-QPsA%3BFa5uWQIdekIl-w%3BFaNDWQIdEswk-w%3BFSB_WQIdsJkf-w%3BFehQWwIdvIAd-ykP8Kjm_xlIiDEqK3zW1UOtEw%3BFVBJXQIdNF0c-ymnFRNWJh1IiDG1yiyxLVfRXg%3BFUD9YAId_rIc-w%3BFQMyYQIdR8Ec-ynzJDlEWe43iDFQJJfJkJL8qA%3BFQSOYQIdzsQc-w%3BFdYxZAIdfMsc-w%3BFVYqZAIdrooc-w%3BFU87ZgIdOgcc-ymTiCGQ2oQ3iDGELKbPRGPzOQ%3BFdLBaQIdNhEd-w%3BFUAuagIdqfcd-w%3BFeR_agIdNQke-w&mra=ls&via=3,8,12,13,15,19&t=m&z=9 https://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=Sugar+Ridge+Rd&daddr=40.55876,-81.89219+to:OH-78+W%2FOH-83+N+to:OH-78+E%2FWoodsfield+Rd+to:39.62977,-81.22532+to:2nd+St%2FN+Main+St+S+to:OH-7+N%2F5th+Ave%2FN+Main+St+N+to:OH-255+W+to:OH-800+N+to:39.5631134,-81.2057781+to:Greene+St+to:OH-550+W+to:Unknown+road+to:OH-377+N+to:W+Riverside+Dr%2FState+Route+60+S+to:N+Kennebec+Ave+to:39.74253,-81.83789+to:OH-376+S%2FRockville+Rd+to:Zane+St+to:OH-666+N%2FN+River+Rd+to:W+9th+St+to:40.254287,-82.0492221+to:US-62+E+to:US-62+E+to:Sugar+Ridge+Rd&hl=en&ll=39.605688,-81.823425&spn=1.212502,2.469177&sll=39.825413,-81.595459&sspn=4.83395,9.876709&geocode=FZxFdwIdO3gc-w%3BFajgagIdomwe-ymFoF4G5Gw3iDHSKcm8JKAg6g%3BFfXLXQId2fog-w%3BFZ66XgIdShwm-w%3BFcqzXAIdmJko-ym1anbJa99JiDEXr2_X-_wnkg%3BFQwPWwIdeg8r-w%3BFUqYXAId818t-w%3BFWYbXgIdZmUq-w%3BFeRCXgIdHkkq-w%3BFWmvWwId7uUo-ymH1GwC1d1JiDGybZl18-QPsA%3BFa5uWQIdekIl-w%3BFaNDWQIdEswk-w%3BFca_WQIdUiEe-w%3BFbrvXAId9Fwe-w%3BFbAOXQIdfOce-w%3BFTD-XAIdpQQf-w%3BFUJsXgIdvkAf-ynXw0pcSd43iDG8yBPGAyT7zw%3BFXpaXwIdx24e-w%3BFQSOYQIdzsQc-w%3BFdYxZAIdfMsc-w%3BFVYqZAIdrooc-w%3BFU87ZgIdOgcc-ymTiCGQ2oQ3iDGELKbPRGPzOQ%3BFdLBaQIdNhEd-w%3BFUAuagIdqfcd-w%3BFZhFdwIdS3gc-w&mra=ls&via=1,4,9,16,21&t=m&z=9 https://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=OH-83+N%2FAvon+Belden+Rd%2FWooster-Avon+Lake+Rd&daddr=40.53007,-81.91891+to:OH-78+W%2FOH-83+N+to:OH-78+E%2FWoodsfield+Rd+to:39.62977,-81.22532+to:2nd+St%2FN+Main+St+S+to:OH-7+N%2F5th+Ave%2FN+Main+St+N+to:OH-255+W+to:OH-800+N+to:US-250+W%2FDover+Rd+to:OH-82+W%2FElyria-Twinsburg+Rd%2FRoyalton+Rd&hl=en&sll=40.531546,-81.978607&sspn=0.598073,1.234589&geocode=FQZodgIdaHYc-w%3BFZZwagIdQgQe-ykvboCjmW03iDHkUIsjkukbvw%3BFfXLXQId2fog-w%3BFZ66XgIdShwm-w%3BFcqzXAIdmJko-ym1anbJa99JiDEXr2_X-_wnkg%3BFQwPWwIdeg8r-w%3BFUqYXAId818t-w%3BFWYbXgIdZmUq-w%3BFUB4aAId1BMn-w%3BFRAbbgId4B8e-w%3BFQpodgIdtnUc-w&mra=ls&via=1,4&t=m&z=8

We had one of them go down on our scooter ride last year. I swapped scooters with him because he was hurt so he would have a fully functioning scooter. Even wrecked it was a fun scooter with motor to spare over my 250.

You have angered the scooter gods by your disrespect and shall be cursed for displeasing them. Rumor has it that it will be a lifetime of awkward unfulfilling sexual encounters utilizing a small member. Repent the blasphemy so that maybe they will have mercy on your soul, go forth to never repeat the Judas behavior and forever recognize the awesomeness that is scooter.

Idiot

Your ignorance and lack comprehension skills are monumental. The delusion you have of finding and citing valid sources is laughable and proof of your lack of knowledge. You lose the credibility argument when you try to inject others conclusions based on failed numbers. I could cite and point to so many resources it would fill the day with reading only for you to retort with just as many resources with opposing views. All we would accomplish is to prove my point that all the so called facts are manipulations of poorly compiled numbers put together in a way to advance a foregone conclusion based on the "opinion" of the person that is omitting or including erroneous information. Lies, damn lies and statistics. Having studied, watched and participated in court cases involving the same bullshit creditable information I have seen the judgments go both ways based on a prejudice of the people making the decisions. There is no science to the way these resources are compiled because the hard numbers used to generate them in the first place are not creditable. I don't know everything about this subject but I have amassed a great deal of knowledge about this subject over the last thirty years and do know the people who know more than I about it. Based on your stupidity of the subject I'm certain I don't know you therefore can confidently state that you have no chance of having a greater grasp of this subject matter. If you would like to put out more information about history or origins I will gladly interject and guide you when you go astray or by giving incomplete information as proved in the past. I will even try to keep you on track when you wish to bring up other breeds to keep you from going off on some tangent like a child rambling to fill space because they don't have a clue about what they are saying. Cheap shots were only retorted, had you decided to reply with some sort of intelligent discourse it could have been avoided. I understand why you needed to take it there because you lacked any knowledge to form a creditable reply and who am I to not have some fun fucking with the retard on the internet.

I understand that it's easy to confuse a weak mind; I'm starting to have my doubts about anyone’s ability to be much dumber than you. There is nothing wrong with lacking knowledge about a subject; everyone has a deficiency in at least a few subjects. Where your failure lies in is a delusion of having knowledge that doesn't exist. Knowing how your stated "information" of other people’s opinions are formed by flawed information, how the information is reported and the history of the changes in that reporting over time only proves the depths of your ignorance. This is compounded by your need to spew it out as fact by some weird compulsion to show you have something to add. I wouldn't expect a mental midget like you to have the ability to glean the correct information let alone retain it. This is why you feel the need to put out others opinions as information because you have no knowledge base to draw from. You might have been okay with using others opinions to make a point until you decided to muddy the water with information that wasn't relevant to the subject matter. It's hard to take someone’s ramblings serious when they start to throw more information into the conversation that doesn't apply. I guess "baffle them with bullshit" applies in your circles but around here it doesn't fly. What’s really glairing about your inability to speak on the subject is that you don’t have a clue about why you are so wrong, it’s sad. I’m certain that taking the time to educate you would be a waste of everyone’s time and unlike you I’m not compelled to bring in information that adds no value to the conversation. While this conversation between us doesn’t add value to what was being discussed at least I’ve made an attempt to keep erroneous information from poisoning the landscape. Beating down a blow hard is a bonus.

I was flabbergasted by the ignorance of your post and had a hard time trying to piece it together into something coherent that would follow any logic or conclusion. The conflicting statements started my doubt that you were driving at a point with any thought process other than to hear yourself speak. Then you use poor information to further your points that has been disproven when looked at by people who actually have knowledge of the subject. There are no hard numbers to draw any conclusions from because they all lack factual information. Linking to opposing conclusions drawn from bad numbers proves nothing other than that there are two different opinions which was something you stated that you were trying to remove from the discussion. Showing your lack of knowledge of the subject matter even more you bring in another breed of dog into the discussion that shares no common traits with the breed at hand other than the fact that they are both dogs just like any other breed you could have included.

Proof that identification from witnesses is unreliable and that the statistics are meaningless. We started out with a pit bull and ended up with a mutt in this case. The owner of the dog is most likely wrong about what mix he has to further the confusion.

My point was the assumption that it is bad owners that make bad dogs while that is most certainly one of the ways to end up with a bad dog it isn't the only one. Genetics from poor breeding lead to poor dogs regardless of good or bad owners with or without proper training. Bad dogs can be managed but they are not usually stable social dogs. You are making a generalization that doesn't include all of us. Even dogs used for fighting were kept as ideal family pets. Don’t these two quotes cancel each other out? Using the C.D.C. numbers or any other numbers for bite statistics is unreliable because identifying a pit bull is very unreliable. Believing in bad statistics and using then in a debate leads to poor conclusions. Does it matter the actual volume of dogs when using statistics or just the numbers? Putting pit bulls and rottweilers into the same category is proof that people don’t understand the subject matter.

I wouldn't hang my hat on this as a point for your side in an argument it is factually wrong.

While I would like to perpetuate this thought because it would be a nice place to defend from my over 30 years experience with pit bulls has shown otherwise. Now that the dog is no longer bred for its intent people have been free to breed them to fit what their intent is. Some people have purposely tried to breed dogs that are aggressive when in the past they would have been culled out as a liability. People are getting dogs that aren't stable without knowing what they are in for, not all dogs are good dogs and that statement can be true for all breeds. A few decades ago your statement might have been true, regretfully now not so much. Conflicting statement and thought process. Your post was correct in almost every aspect. Staffordshire bull terriers are referred to as nanny dogs.

You gotta watch them chows they bite.

It is not the nature of a Pit Bull to bite a human...Very often a mutt or mix is mis-identified as a Pit Bull by the owner, witnesses and victims....

Old news, it was a bullshit law and has been repealed because it was bullshit.

Looks like not having a bike is expensive.

Trying to understand under what litmus test we should be subject to that deems us worthy? Your version might not be the same as mine. I hate the Amish for using our roads and not paying gas taxes that pay for them, therefore I find them unworthy of freedom.

Yes, I am aware of that law and thought it was a stupid fucking law as well. More laws we don't need. I think we should make a law that would forbid any business executive from making any anti gay statements. The gays are just innocent people trying to live their lives.

Fill in the blank for the next place to ban free speech or make a law banning it. KKK rally, NAACP rally, Republican convention, Democrat convention, Gay pride parade, Christian candle light vigil, etc... All of these people are innocent in their minds as well. I reserve the right to protest any and all of them, with repercussions for my actions. Those repercussions shouldn't be at the hands of government. Much like free enterprise deciding the fate of business government shouldn't be picking winners and losers. I don't need "you" or the government to decide my values or who is innocent or guilty by moral standards. This is simplified but I see no need for additional laws. People have died, served and sacrificed to protect their right. Just because it is an affront to my senses doesn’t mean I get to change the rules to fit my senses. In most cases this country is divided in half on issues, not allowing discourse shows you don't have a firm grasp on your reality or have the means to defend it.

Stupid fucking law.

Look at the post whore, starting her own thread with a funny picture that belongs in the funny picture thread.

I heard he took big losses and will not be paying taxes for the next five years. I don't think he is qualified to be president if he can't run a business any better than that. Trying to equate a business owner’s tax liability to personal employee taxes makes the point of debate pointless.