chevysoldier

so where's the line between terrorist and random person? Be brown?

you have to say "Allah Akbar" (sp?) before hand.

I slept in....screw that mess

That cake was disturbing.......

True story: 30-ish years ago, at age 12 or 13, pop took me to the only skateboard park in central ohio, down on Coonpath Road just north of Lancaster.

Mid-summer, no trees, 5 or 6 Cokes later, nature calls.

I wander out to the edge of the property, there's a fence.

It's humming, but that doesn't set off any alarms in my brain.

Summers on the grandparent's farm taught me nothing about electric fences - they didn't have any - Mennonite.

Start going, of course gotta try to hit the fence, right?

A <strong> tingling/throbbing sensation is felt in my nether regions.

Not entirely unpleasant, but not super fun, either.

Figured out pretty quickly what was going on and adjusted my aim.

Haven't done it since. I might be dumb, but I'm not stupid.

lol nice. But can you fart and turn on the TV??

I'm not saying its true guys, just hilarious, and plausible.

Most definitley plausible. If it did happen (he just added some creative writing) I feel really bad for the guy.

"8- I can turn on the TV in the game room by farting while thinking of the number 4 (still don't understand this???)."

Yeah I dont know if I believe it now either since he added stuff like that. Either way hilarious and really well written.

Location:

Dayton National Cemetery

4100 West 3rd Street

Dayton, Ohio 45428

12 December 2009@1200hrs-(12:00PM)

Staging:

Cemetery Administration Building

3rd Street and Wisconsin Avenue

Dayton, Ohio 45428

12 December 2009@0900hrs-(9:00AM)

We will be helping the Civil Air Patrol place the wreaths on the graves.

District #7 Ride Captain Clarence “CJ” Spencer is assigned this mission of Honor and Respect. Please follow his instructions and bring your 3x5 American Flags. We will be placing the wreaths at approximately 0930hrs on the graves. At 1200hrs the Main Wreath Laying Ceremony will take place. We will stand with the buglers on one side or if we have enough people we will put one on each side of the buglers depending on how many buglers there are.

If there is inclement weather please use your own discretion on how you get safely to the mission.

Bob Woods

Ohio State Captain

Patriot Guard

Updated 26 NOV 09 635 edt Pattie

Harry Moore US Army veteran of Korea

Malloy-Schleiffer Funeral Home

915 Kennedy Ave

Duquesne Pa,15110

Fri Nov 27, 2009

STAGING

Parking lot to left of funeral home

9:30 AM

Blessing at funeral home at 10:30 AM

Mass at Holy Name Church at 11:00 AM

32 5th St

Duquesne Pa 15110

We will then proceed to the cemetary for interment

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The PGR has been invited to pay honors and respect to USA Korea Veteran/EMT Harry Moore, 77, Duquesne, PA who died in the line of duty of an heart attack while responding to an emergency call.

We will not be providing a flag line for visitations.

We will participate in flaglines and escorts as follows:

On Friday, November 27, 2009 at 10:30 AM there will be a blessing conducted at the Malloy-Schleifer Funeral Home, 915 Kennedy Avenue, Duquesne, PA 15110.

We will escort Mr. Moore to Holy Name Church , 32 South First Street, Duquesne, PA 15110 for a 11:00 AM mass. After the mass we will escort Mr. Moore to his final resting place at Penn Lincoln Memorial Park, 14679 Route 30, North Huntington, PA 15642

Details are still being worked out, please follow this thread for all updated information.

RCIC: Jay Goodman ffgoodman@gmail.com

Ralph A. DeLorme

Western PA PGR Veterans Liaison

PA PGR RC Region 10

vander177@live.com

Visitation:

Tomon and Sons Funeral Home

7327 Pearl Road

Middleburg Heights, Ohio

29 November 2009@1400-1900hrs-(2:00pm-7:00pm)

30 November2009@1000hrs-(10:00am)

Staging:

Tomon and Sons Funeral Home

29 November 2009@ 1300hrs-(1:00pm)

30 November 2009@0900hrs-(9:00am)

Escort to Church after Visitation on 30 November 2009

Services:

St Andrews Ukranian Church

7700 Hoertz Road

Parma, Ohio 44134

30 November 2009@1100hrs-(11:00am)

Interment:

St Andrews Ukranian Church

District #3 Captain Ralph Bago is assigned this mission of Honor and Respect. Please follow his instructions and remember your 3x5 American Flags. In the event of inclement weather please get to the mission the safest way you can. Dress per the weather conditions.

Bob Woods

Ohio State Captain

Patriot Guard Riders

Wow! I cannot even begin to imagine.

Wonder if he overheard anything interesting in those 23yrs! Or maybe some lonely night nurse had her way

with him thinking no one would know . Oh god' date=' maybe a male nurse! Yikes [/quote']

But if he was paralyzed, could he still get it up? For either nurse?

I've been married for 26 years. Pretty much the same thing.

+1

Possibly - IF he was on the throttle when he released the brake.

Of course, then the high side would have been caused by letting OFF the brakes, not locking them up.

Typically, a high side is caused when the rear wheel breaks traction by spinning up. When you chop the throttle the spinning stops, and the bike wants to stand back up. When the bike stands up, it spits you over the side.

What likely happened in this instance was too much rear brake. When he got the bike sideways (from the rear being locked) he let off the brakes. Once that happens, the bike wants to go straight again, and it spit him off.

Right, that is what I had figured happened. Not the fact that hit the brake threw him off but when he let off of it.

Almost anything can happen.

A high side happens because the rear wheel LOST traction, then quickly and suddenly GAINED traction. You're not gaining traction if you've locked up the brakes.

But then if he let up on the brake, he'd gain traction and then high side right?

No' date=' but if someone is trying to rob me without a gun I'll still draw on them. At that point they have a few choices. They can lie down on the ground like I tell them to, they can turn and run out the door, or they can charge me and get shot to death. Just because someone isn't armed with a gun doesn't mean they can walk out the door with someone's money/property. They will only be shot if they choose to be shot. The choice is solely on their shoulders.[/quote']

But see now you say they charge you and get shot. There is your deadly force. You didn't shoot them to protect property, you shot them to protect your life which is fine. Pulling a weapon is not deadly force. Shooting them is.

safe for you to do so.

and if he gets robbed and i bust a cap in the fucker, you think he'd still press charges?

You CANNOT use deadly force to protect property. Now if the robber had a gun pointed to his head, then you would be able to use deadly force. But If I were in an establishment while CC'ing where they posted a CPZ sign, then I don't know if I would shoot to protect him. One side of me says it would be the right thing to do, the other says he gave up the opprotunity to be protected, or actually took the opprotunity to be unprotected, so why would I want to risk taking punishment for him? Free (mostly) right?

I disagree. If someone enters an establishment with enough gumption to rob it at gunpoint I have no reason to believe they don't have the balls to shoot someone. Eliminate the threat before an innocent person gets shot/killed.

First of all' date=' he never said he robbed it at gun point. This is from the Ohio CCW Handbook.

"

deadly force may lead to criminal charges and/or civil liability."

My whole point was he needs to be sure the store owner was in danger of his life, then yes it's ok to use deadly force. But as his scenario stated he was only being robbed, not being a threat to life, especially not at gun point. That being said, how many people try to rob a place without a weapon? Not too many but it does happen and you need to be fully aware of the situation AND the threat at hand.

while i agree with you, for the devil's advocate in me: is it more shitty for him to deny me my interpretation of my constitutional rights? and if he gets robbed and i bust a cap in the fucker, you think he'd still press charges?

You CANNOT use deadly force to protect property. Now if the robber had a gun pointed to his head, then you would be able to use deadly force. But If I were in an establishment while CC'ing where they posted a CPZ sign, then I don't know if I would shoot to protect him. One side of me says it would be the right thing to do, the other says he gave up the opprotunity to be protected, or actually took the opprotunity to be unprotected, so why would I want to risk taking punishment for him? Free (mostly) right?

Damn. Least there wasn't the sound of breaking bones. That looked really painful.

I gave up on OFCC for anything but information though... more paranoid radical conservatives than in Texas

No I am just there for info too. I'm not getting into rubbing elbows, just info and personal experience with what happened to people.

You are correct in me trying to resolve my values, I am working on getting knowledge to see what works for me.

In cased you missed this link earlier, check it out! http://www.ohioccwforums.org/index.php

I have been lurking on most of the gun topic threads. As a guy from the burbs, I never really thought about firearms. Currently thinking about taking a course to get a CC license. From the very little bit i read, it seems OC is a lot less of a hassle with laws then CC. A friend of mine always CC, but I dont know that i feel "safer" when we are out. I also don't feel any less safe because I do not carry.

So, until I can learn more about the laws for CC and OC, I cant say what is better, CC or OC.

Put me in the "gun-curious" catagory.

OC can be a hassle when it comes to the public and LEO's seeing your firearm. CC, no one knows but you need to be careful where you go.

You from Bedford PA?

I have this on CL

http://columbus.craigslist.org/ele/1465172398.html

It is a very tough phone. I had another just like it, and I'd chuck it as hard as I could, always worked. I have an Extra battery I'll throw in for free. But you may be too far away lol

Dang, usually the ones I have are part 1 and 2... either way, Part 2 is where the LEO starts talking so I can see people wanting to skip to that.

Yeah I got to the end of the first one, and he started to take questions, then the second one I thought would be the questions, I was like uh...skip...skip.skip...yep same stuff. Actually I really enjoyed the first guy. Both had good info. So If I am confronted by a LEO for OC'ing I should really just STFU. Name, rank, SN. lol

I hear what you're saying' date=' but I've never been confronted by an officer in a negative capacity while OC'ing. Most people don't even notice, except for one shift manager at Giant Eagle. Whew.. that was an interesting afternoon. [/quote']

Ok, there's a story. I wanna hear it lol. Mainly because I got my holster tonight and am thinking about OC'ing some time.

Watch them both, every minute of them.

Really interesting vid, watched every minute. The second video was just the second half of the first though. :

So I better keep my grill shut and buy all my guns first!

To be honest, yes. Buy your guns from private party, and don't post that you own any. I'm still unsure if I should really get my CCW. That puts me on a list I might not want to be on. But, I still will and when they try to take them away from me like they did in the UK, well things could get ugly.

Were you given a reason for the "delay"?

You see the government (read Obama and Czars) keeps tabs on the internet forums. With all of Todd's conservative posts, they have red flagged him as a threat to their socialist agenda.