Coldish and wet. Road was more slippery than most, it has a reputation for that. It was 16 through W. VA/VA. Came out of a corner and rolled on and the back went out..then the front went with it a bit. Scared the shit outta Tim. Obviously I rolled on too hard, but it wasn't that wet, I wasn't leaned over that far and I didn't roll on that hard. It should not have come loose, imnsho.
Tim may have a different opinion, he is welcome to share it.
But, I only know one other guy that feels the way I do. I know a boatload of Kaw cruiser guys, they swear by these tires. Thus my hesitation to switch them, other than that day they have been great tires. I have burned up three rears and two fronts. I got a lot of miles on them and only this one event. Very possible I f'd up and should just take my licks and move on.