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Good idea. I think that's what I'll do. My intent isn't to get anyone in trouble, but consumers need to know what these people are about. They have a high BBB rating currently, probably from actual customers and not potential customers. Sure I might have been very happy with their work, but I'm certainly not pleased with their sales approach.

Yeah, I'm going to PM him now. Thanks for the reminder. I approached him earlier on when I was looking for used stuff, but now that I'm *possibly* onto new stuff maybe he can help me out.

I'm actually thinking letter to the owner because I know it most likely will reach him rather than bitching at random customer service deflectors that don't give a shit.

Yes. That's actually what he said. Specifically "Before I go any further I want us to agree that you want Atlas Butler to take care of this for you, tonight." Verbatim, or nearly.

I was really ready for some sales pitch right from the beginning. I know they're in business to make sales and since we were both required to be there I knew they would put us on the spot. This, however, was far beyond what I expected.

For those looking for cliffs: Make an appointment for AB to give us an estimate on HVAC equipment/install. Get hit with shady high-pressure sales tactics and don't even get a quote unless I agree to buy whatever they're selling me tonight.

Just in case any of you are shopping for HVAC stuff, I'll share my experience with these guys. I started to post this in Consumer Reports, but it's neither automotive related or a vendor here. The wife called to have them come out and give us an estimate for either repairing what we have or installing a whole new unit. We plan to have a few estimates just to get an idea of pricing because we have no frame of reference. Since they are the first ones that popped in my head we called them first. They said they'd only schedule it when we could both be there, which I wasn't surprised about because I know they want to give their "presentation" and don't want to give you the easy "I have to talk it over with my Husband/Wife" cop out. We said okay and had them send a guy out right after I got home last night. The guy shows up, says he's been in the business for 20+ years and looks things over. The guy is pretty straight forward about what he thinks we need (new equipment) and explains why. To this point I have a good feeling about it. Then it comes time to sit down and talk numbers. The guy goes into the presentation I expected… Why you should choose us over competitors, why our people are the best, why our warranty is better, etc. That's fine, I knew this coming. Then the guy proceeds to ask a series of questions clearly designed to assess (in a nice way) how long we plan to live here and basically figuring out how much price means to us. I tell him we don’t plan to be here more than about 4-5 years, so I'm somewhat price driven and looking for basic stuff but not junk by any means. He says okay then moved on to trying to find out how much warranty he might be able to sell us and explaining why it's so important when resale time comes. I told him I'm aware of the risk with/without warranties and that I'll entertain the idea of an extended warranty but I'd like to see the numbers both ways. This is where it gets silly. I'm talking dirty used car sales, high pressure sales tactic silly, which shuts me down instantly. He says it's the last day of the month so I'm in the position to make you a heck of a deal because I only need one more sale to make my quota this month (or something close, almost verbatim). I say that's great, what do you have in mind. He then says he wants us to agree we're doing business before he leaves tonight and that we need to agree to that (and I assume even sign the papers he was getting out of his bag) before he can give us the details. I tell him that I'm not the type to buy on the first offer without having any idea what I'm getting into and that I have a couple more quotes scheduled I'll need to review. He packs up all his stuff and says something like "good luck with whomever you choose to do the work. Call me if you change your mind tonight", hands me his card and gets up. I say okay and walk him out where he says, "You know we're talking thousands, not hundreds" to which I replied, "Well I wouldn’t know" and sent him on his way. He looked a little surprised, like maybe he thought he had me where he wanted me. WTF is that about? All that says to me is that you know your price can’t touch some of the others so you need to close me now. Additionally when people use high-pressure tactics like that it makes me wonder how many elderly or ignorant people they take advantage of with their super-secret special offers. And third – they sent this dude out here to solely to try and work a sale and wasted not only his time but mine, because I never even got the fucking quote. I understand salespeople being in the business to make money, so I was going to just let it go. After sleeping on it I'm very seriously considering calling them or writing a letter to their owner expressing how distasteful I think their sales approach is. I don’t even blame the guy that came out completely because it's clear their company supports the hard sale, but come on. Does anyone else think that's going too far on my part?

Not to be a fanboy, but... Agreed 100%. Though as he said, he's looking for a level of refinement that will be difficult to find in a Jeep in that price class (though probably not impossible).

Cool. Yeah, I may be down for some of that coming up. Unfortunately right now I'm chasing a cooling problem that I was sure was just a bad fan clutch, but it's still not quite right. I need to get that sorted out before I go beating on it. That and I have been meaning to lift it a couple of inches. I have all the stuff (except more aggressive tires), I just keep putting it off. You think this area is passable in a stock height jeep? It may be a couple of months before I'm ready to roll with the lift and tires. Definitely post up when you get a group together.

I was thinking I might take the Jeep offroad some this fall. Is this an ATV/dirtbike only kind of thing or is it vehicle accessible? I see offroad rigs traveling in that area all the time and have always wondered where they're going around here.

Because they are proven to only anger racoons sending 2 full-grown men running down a ladder and out of the building screaming like girls. Not that I was ever involved in such an experiment.

Racing's highest honor = Bannage. Ford RS200?

In keeping with the topic derailment... I have RWD, AWD & 4WD (H and L) at my disposal all in the same vehicle. Do I win? Probably not... :gtfo:

+3 I have used both an older CD version and the recently released DVD sized version and they both work very well. Beware, though, if you are unfamiliar with Linux it can be a little weird to use at first. I usually use it to retrieve/backup files when I get conned into working one someone's computer that has a screwed up boot sector or a pile of viruses.

I wonder if anyone if half as impressed with this kid as he is with himself.

Black Hills 9mm 115g EXP. Almost +P performance, good accuracy and manageable recoil and flash. Better still, 50 in a box for not much more than the price of alot of other stuff. I can actually afford to practice with what I carry. http://media.midwayusa.com/ProductImages/Medium/173426.jpg

I happen to be a retarded midget. I'm deeply offended by this post.

I think it's around where you're looking for. It usually depends on exactly what department they intend to use you in (there are several different tasks they may assign), your level of experience and and if you get shift dif. or not. I think the only available positions would likely be second shift, so you'd probably qualify for shift dif which usually amounts to .50-1.00/hr more than base pay.

They are almost always hiring for the warehouse at Jegs.

But I think it actually has a legit copy of Photoshop 5 on it... What a loss...

Hmm. I think there's a G3 in the corner here somewhere just holding up dust... Maybe it could actually be put to good use.

True story. It has been packed up here in Delaware on the weekends for sure. I make sure I get out there before its even actually light enough to hunt so that I can try and stake a decent spot before the crowds roll in. Unfortunately I have all my vacation days booked and since it gets dark now at 5 PM (when I get off) that's the only days I can go.

I used to hunt alot with my Dad when i was younger. I have been saying that I was going to get out pheasant hunting for the last 13 years or so since I went last. This year I finally did it. The wife has been going with me also, which is great because I don't know anyone else nearby that hunts. I don't have a dog, so having another person to kick through the brush with is helpful. I have been to Delaware state park a few times but have only seen pheasants out on the road. I see alot of guys with dogs that seem to be having luck but so far I have no pheasant meat.

It's mostly a clever marketing gimmick, but I think I'm going to pick up a few 4 packs of these as gifts. http://www.samueladams.com/Promotions/glassware/default.html

Not to piss on his accomplishments, but I was thinking this same thing right away.