desperado

Has the pump been used, and if so how long? Also do you have a regulator that will go with it or can be gotten for additional money?

Could you PM me the casting numbers off that 4 speed

I figured some one should post this so that noob's and guys that don't know better wouldn't get taken on these things. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7985067737&category=33741 This link is an example of where someone is selling industrial blowers on Ebay and calling them superchargers. They do not work. In fact on anything more than a stock 3 cylinder Geo motor they will create a restriction to intake flow, causing a performance loss. Don't get took by this crap. It don't work.

Sorry to point this out, but this is EXACTLY what I am talking about. You had good luck with it and bad luck, and now you have turned away from it because of the bad luck. Spraying a stock motor, even with high milage can be done. You just need to do it within reason. A 4 banger with high mileage is gonna take a 50 shot or a 75 shot MAX. It ain't the spray that hoses motors, it's not using it correctly (spraying off idle and not above 3000 to 3500 RPM) or trying to get more power out of it than it will reasonably make.

Yeah, agreed Vince, hell 700 or so is about a practical limit for a smallblock that's not realy over the top. I realize it can be done. But in street cars, unless you are building NASCAR motors and putting them in your street cars, that is the magic number with anything that came factory from the big three.

Send me a picture as well. kfoor@cham-cor.com

What I don't understand is the terror alert only being raised on mass transit over here in the states. No one knows for sure what these little sheet heads might deside to do over here.

That guy does nice work and his prices are not that bad compaired to the stuff Jegs sells that are the same deal only with black paint and no switch covers.

Microsoft has a terraserver. I can't remember the web site off hand but it has all the current terestrial pictures on it as well and has it laid out by address and by longitude and latitude so you can look for a specific place. It's really handy for being out in the country and finding landmarks and the like if you are hiking off trails and exploring.

It's not like anyone tried to keep secret what was there. It's an air base. The shit that they keep there is the secret. Things like the pluse jet aircraft, the newest hypersonic aircraft and other flying machines that no one knows about. I wouldn't be suprized if there was a space shuttle or two there that were like the ones in Armageddon. I don't think that the government purposely keeps shit from us, but they learned their lesson with the Rosenbirds, or whatever the fuck the names of the people that sold "Nuclear (SP?) Secrets" to the Russians. The info they had was straight out of college text books for the most part concerning atom smashing and fision. It wasn't a secret here, only to the Russians. The shit that blows me away is that they allow people of other countries now to study nuclear phyics and such at the top universities in the USA and go home with that information. They don't consider that to be problem, meanwhile these are some of the scientists that are over there trying to build a nuclear weapon out of a pinball machine for people that would use it on us without a second thought. The Russians had the power for years and never used it, because of mutually assured distruction. The terrorists and extreemists that are wanting to posses this power are not of the same belief, they figure that if they kill some of us and we kill alot more of them they have still won. The world is not a safe place at this point.

Actually Car Craft just did a 700 HP with a D-1SC and a blow-through with a carb. Now what that would cost to replicate, I have no idea. And yes that whine is nice. And if I had to money all at once, it would be a blower, I personally prefer the roots type though. Turbos are nice, spray will get it done, but nothing says performance like a 6-71 hanging out of the hood with dual holleys sitting up top.

If they did I DAMN SURE want to see. she already has some fine boobies, if they are bigger, I just don't know what I would do if I seen em. But I got a feeling it would require Jergens!

Sure I can. But there are ALOT of guys that can't. Please understand that I am not attacking any other power adder. I would love to have a big fawlking Jimmie blower sitting on a 540 cube big block setting in my Camaro right now, way more than I want this spray kit and a small block. My point of all this is I hear guys saying that nitrous blows motors, or only ricers use nitrous, or 10 other slams on using spray that have no bearing on reality. And the only reson that it is getting bad mouthed so much is that it's SO easy to slap on a kit and go to a big shot that guys dont consider that the motor will not take it, and it goes south. It would be just as easy for you or me, because we can fabricate, to go find a turbo off a semi truck, grab some piping and the welder and fab up a turbo installation for an otherwise stock 350 that would blow the motor just as quick as putting a 400 shot of spray on it. The only thing I am getting at it that ANYONE in a few hours can hang a 400 shot plate system on a car, it takes a week or so of work to put together a reasonable turbo kit, and while we are at it, we would put the internals required so that the motor wouldn't come apart. These nitrous guys that blow shit up anre not taking that extra step and then blaming it on the nitrous. But the reality is that if you or I built that same trubo kit I talked about before, they could take it right home and bolt it on and blow their shit up just as easy. Then they would bitch that turbos such and blow shit up. The turbo kit didn't do it, neither did the nitrous. The guy that put in on without making sure the motor would take 400 HP over what it's dong now is the one to blame. But this is America after all, it's never our own fault.

Vince I do see your point, but figuring that you would need a 6-71 minimum, carbs, distributor you are gonna have $4000 in it and that will get you 400 to 500 HP. A 400 HP plate system from Jegs is $600 and two fills a month at $50 will still take 3 years to break even, and the blower motor is still offsetting the cost some by needing extra fuel at all times. There is a point that you are going to break even, but what does a blower require in maintanence as opposed to nitrous? I don't know the answer to this, but I am betting that the blower is more over time. And a blower will wear out at some point. ONly thing to go wrong with Nitrous is the jets and solinoids. Of course a sticking N2O solinoid will ruin a motor in short order, the only thing a blower can do to screw up a motor is to have a rotor shatter and be injested in the motor.

NO, if you planned the kit out right it will already have a boost controller on it. And how the hell would plan a kit from the get go that was only doing 50% of what it could do. Even if you did, which would be silly, if you knew it would do it, you would turn it up exceeding the maximum that the motor it was on could deal wit and you are still sweeping the parts off the road. Your way just costs more. And I am talking about new parts from NOS. If we want to go hillbilly, you pull the jets and find out what size hole they need for a 400 shot, go two rows over in the same tool dept that you are buying your pressure regulator from and get the right size drill bit, drill the jets and you are there.

After reading this post in another thread I figured it was time to comment and set people straight about nitrous as a power adder. Why is it out of hand? You can build a motor to make power a number of ways. You can put the compression ratio, head flow and cam required to make the power NA that you are after or you can turbocharge or supercharge your car with a combination of cam and compression ratio that will make the same power or you can use nitrous and the proper intake cam and compression ratio combination for it. The thing with nitrous is it's cheap relatively speaking. The proshot that I have will jet out to 450 HP and and cost under $1000 A roots blower that will produce that power increase is $4000 minimum. As far as a turbo kit. What kit? It's all fabricated, $4000 ain't even close for a V-8 twin turbo setup that will add 450 ponies. So we come back to nitrous. The reason it's got a bad rap is that it's too easy to obtain. You want 500 ponies, you go lay your bucks down at Jegs and walk out with a box of nozzles, hoses, jets, a tank and some other shit and you go home. When you get there, you pull your intake, drill holes for the spray nozzles, or in the case of a plate system you just pull the carb off. Put in some longer carb studs in the intake, bolt it back together. At that point you only need to run a few wires, a hose or two and mount the tank. And you have 450 ponies extra at the press of a button. Problem is that it didn't take any effort to get there, it isn't a big expense so you don't worry about what's under it (the rest of the motor). This is where the problem starts. NO other power adder is as simple to increase, or is as effective when increased as nitrous oxide is. If you jet it to 200 to start, it's great for a while but you know that you have the jets sitting in the garage for 250 and 300. What does it take to get a turbo that's adding 200 horse and make it 300? What ever it is it don't come as cheap as $20 buck for bigger jets for a nitrous kit. So which do you put in? the 250's or the 300's?? Neither! You go to Jegs and get the jets for 400 and put them in. Mind you the motor has 200000 miles on it, it's got a stock crank rods and pistons. You drop in the jets, crack open the tank, pull to the line and purge it, drop the hammer and squeeze the button at 3500 RPM, 1 second later you watch engine parts that you never see unless the engine is all apart coming out the hood. It's not any different with any other power adder. If you were to take a set of SB2 heads, the cam and intake required and slapped it all on a stock Chevy motor it would turn 9500 RPM till the crank broke or a rod snapped. But if you took a set of smog heads and cam and put them on a NASCAR motor the valves would still float at 6500 RPM and the bottom end would be fine. Thing is that no one would put a set of SB2 heads, or a roots blower or a twin turbo setup on a stock engine, and if they did they would never expect it to last. But how many guys do you know that tried to run a 250 shot on a high milage motor that had stock internals, then bitch that the spray blew his motor. Got news for em, Nitrous didn't blow his motor, stupidity blew his motor, nitrous was just the tool used to do it. Putting a monster shot of spray down a stock motor is about as intelligent as pouring sand down the carb, only sand will not make it fail as fast. Running big nitrous is not for guys that are running around junk yards looking for a set of camel hump heads and a forged crank out of a muscle car engine. So no matter the power adder, if the rest of the motor ain't up to the challenge, you WILL be experiencing an oil pan failure at some point. Failure to contain the parts that is. [ 06. July 2005, 08:48 PM: Message edited by: desperado ]

Damn that looks like a blast to drive. And I concur, the paint looks good.

Damn, now I am having intake performance anxiety. Your's is way bigger than mine. http://www.foornet.net/images/trmotor.jpg http://www.foornet.net/images/trmotor2.jpg And mine only has one stage of Nitrous, I feel so inadaquate. But that is the shit right there. I assume that is getting mated to a set of Holley Dominators right?

I am looking for a set of Nitrous bottle mounts for a 7 inch tank.

What are you needing to do??

Anyone remember Uncle Reemus??? On the surface it looks racist as all get out. But I can't say that I remember slavery, segregation in Mexico. And I have never heard of a hispanic supremacy group either. The "esteemed" windbag Rev. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton should worry about other, more serious world problems. These men seem to miss the continued killings of the innocent abroad in Africa, post Soviet Block nations and other third world nations, yet I don't see them preaching about that. But Mexico puts a cartoon on a stamp and the untire Mexican population becomes the new KKK.

Tell you what, bring me your bike and a hitch, I WILL make it fit. Hoblick, if you have the time, load up the hitch and bring it and the truck out here to the house. The biggest thing you need ot be concerned with is the location of the spare tire and the gas tank. If they are the same, even if teh frame rails are a different width it can be modified to fit and BOLT in it that it what you prefer to do. The frame may need drilled, but that's not hard, it's just time consuming. U-haul and teh Reese hitch dealers have a special drill press they use that drills up instead of down and it is on wheels. I don't have one of these drills but I do have to stuff to drill frames. The only other thing is routing the bolts through the frame rails and into the holes. There is a slick way of doing that with some MIG wire, and you just weld a small bar to the head of the bolt so it will not turn. Let me know if you want some help.

If you have a welder it will.

You scored dead center average, lacking any of the personality quirks that normally drive people to motorcycling. However, if you do ride, statistics would suggest that you are destined for a Harley-Davidson, probably something in the Softail line.

Damn man, that blows. With all that shit along the road there you're damn lucky you didn't end up impaled or some shit like that. Glad that you made it out with only some road burn and a broke leg. Get your ass healed up soon.