Moto-Brian Posted July 16, 2014 Report Share Posted July 16, 2014 Tires are 80% mental and the rest is in your head. I have run times faster than a lot of Novice times at Mid-Ohio on Q2s with a big bore twin (RC8R). I think :36s... The fact is simple. Race tires will tend to hold up better to race pace. Think about this. Race tires if not heated take a very long time to come to temp. Street tires are designed to come to temp fast and will get greasy at higher temps. Tires like the Q3 is a street/track compound. These tend to give somewhat best of both worlds. Here is my thought on tires. Can you race on street tires? Yes! Can you get to where you want to be on street tires? No. I couldn't run the pace I was running for even just 6 laps on street tires. No way. I also believe that OSU who won all of his Novice races on his R1 could not do it on street tires. The heat and abuse that you put into a tire at race pace and for the sustained amount of time will net poor results. Race compounds are the way to go for RACING. Track days are a different story. But another twist... Don't buy Q3s for track days and run race DOTs when racing. Why? Setup. You running street tires at the track days will be fine. But the setup may be totally different when putting on race tires. If you have a geny and warmers, buy race tires if you want to be serious with racing. Your times are not where they would be for race tires yet. So, we need to tow you down to :40 and lower to warrant race tires. Hope that makes sense. You can run almost anything and find examples of people that do well on whatever you feel is correct. I've seen plenty of guys with bikes over 10k miles and never changed the oil. Does that mean it is the best thing to do? You decide... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moto-Brian Posted July 16, 2014 Report Share Posted July 16, 2014 Brian wanna help me break into the 30s. Best I do is 40.3 and an average in the low 41s We can do it, man. It's probably at that stage, braking points, drive points and line choices... It's only a couple of seconds, but I think I know where you probably are losing them. I looked at my GPS today and saw 1+ seconds a lap. I know I could have obtained my targeted lap time, but just didn't get it done... The points are where I bet you are able to gain also... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowcel Posted July 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2014 Tires are 80% mental and the rest is in your head. I have run times faster than a lot of Novice times at Mid-Ohio on Q2s with a big bore twin (RC8R). I think :36s...The fact is simple. Race tires will tend to hold up better to race pace. Think about this. Race tires if not heated take a very long time to come to temp. Street tires are designed to come to temp fast and will get greasy at higher temps. Tires like the Q3 is a street/track compound. These tend to give somewhat best of both worlds.Here is my thought on tires. Can you race on street tires? Yes! Can you get to where you want to be on street tires? No. I couldn't run the pace I was running for even just 6 laps on street tires. No way. I also believe that OSU who won all of his Novice races on his R1 could not do it on street tires. The heat and abuse that you put into a tire at race pace and for the sustained amount of time will net poor results. Race compounds are the way to go for RACING. Track days are a different story. But another twist... Don't buy Q3s for track days and run race DOTs when racing. Why? Setup. You running street tires at the track days will be fine. But the setup may be totally different when putting on race tires. If you have a geny and warmers, buy race tires if you want to be serious with racing. Your times are not where they would be for race tires yet. So, we need to tow you down to :40 and lower to warrant race tires. Hope that makes sense. You can run almost anything and find examples of people that do well on whatever you feel is correct. I've seen plenty of guys with bikes over 10k miles and never changed the oil. Does that mean it is the best thing to do? You decide...Makes perfect sense. Thank you. I will wait until I wear out my current set and the new pair I have waiting before switching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwiztedRabbit Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 We can do it, man. It's probably at that stage, braking points, drive points and line choices... It's only a couple of seconds, but I think I know where you probably are losing them. I looked at my GPS today and saw 1+ seconds a lap. I know I could have obtained my targeted lap time, but just didn't get it done... The points are where I bet you are able to gain also...this i believe... i know im braking to early into 1 and 7 for sure, line choice through the Keyhole and Carosel are well iffy at best... i never feel 100%through them.. well im signed up for monday.. if ya have a few laps in a session i would love a quick tow.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fireman_343 Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 Brian.. I need help to drop 3 sec off my best.. Best I could do is a :43 with my FZR400 with shagged rear! lolI do plan on getting new R6 front end on it ASAP... I'm getting chatter in 1, 3, 5 and into the carousel when pushing it during the races this past weekend. But, you are correct... I need to work on the keyhole and the carousel a bit more.. I know I'm leaving time on the track in those areas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moto-Brian Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 Brian- that tire was holding you back also. Greasy isn't fast...As for chatter, I developed it badly on Tuesday. The track was really grippy both days and we added 2 more psi and it helped a ton. Still there, but not as much. Just too much grip on the front. I'd say get on the gas sooner in 1. Shouldn't be loading on the side there. Same with 5. I was getting it in 3 as you are on the side loading the front ever so slightly and managing throttle. Also in 10b where you enter the crest of Thunder before throttle pick up. Carousel also at turn in. I eliminated carousel with air and reduced in 3 and 10b. But they stayed there the whole time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fireman_343 Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 Yeah, if I had to race again, I would of added a little more psi to the front.. I was already at 29 off the warmers front and 26 rear.. But u can only push the crappy fzr forks so far.. It's time for an upgrade!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moto-Brian Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 Yeah, if I had to race again, I would of added a little more psi to the front.. I was already at 29 off the warmers front and 26 rear.. But u can only push the crappy fzr forks so far.. It's time for an upgrade!!!True. Chatter can be almost anything. You gotta get to Mid-O and do more track days. I know you have seconds we can find. We all do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fireman_343 Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 For sure man!! I first have to rebuild the motor! As it looks.. might not get it done till the fall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moto-Brian Posted July 20, 2014 Report Share Posted July 20, 2014 For sure man!! I first have to rebuild the motor! As it looks.. might not get it done till the fall What? What happened? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fireman_343 Posted July 20, 2014 Report Share Posted July 20, 2014 What? What happened?Blown head gasket and smoked the clutch again! Going to see if I can get someone local that knows what the hell they are doing to get some more Hp out of her.. It's killing me on the straights.. I'm working on my front end to upgrade it this winter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snot Posted July 20, 2014 Report Share Posted July 20, 2014 Need help in Aug. Any one game's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidgetTodd Posted July 20, 2014 Report Share Posted July 20, 2014 Help in Aug with what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snot Posted July 20, 2014 Report Share Posted July 20, 2014 My lines and body position Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidgetTodd Posted July 20, 2014 Report Share Posted July 20, 2014 Aye. I should be on my new track steed then. I'll be at Putnam Aug 11. Lemme know when you plan to use your Mid O day and I'll try to ride that day instead of medical Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snot Posted July 20, 2014 Report Share Posted July 20, 2014 Looks like Aug. 25th right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowcel Posted July 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2014 Here is a video showing my final lap in the 600 C Superstock Novice race this past Tuesday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snot Posted July 20, 2014 Report Share Posted July 20, 2014 (edited) Anyone know the name of the guy who's bike is named skittles? Edited July 20, 2014 by snot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ludwb675 Posted July 20, 2014 Report Share Posted July 20, 2014 Pat Hough 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snot Posted July 20, 2014 Report Share Posted July 20, 2014 Pat HoughThanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Clay Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 Midget, I hope to ride with you and get some lessons at MId-Ohio before the season is over......so you might want to give that 450 a tune-up soon!!! LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidgetTodd Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 Lol I'll be taking lessons from you on Sumos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidgetTodd Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 Would be an epic day though if you and Monger and I could all be there together on Sumos. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Clay Posted July 23, 2014 Report Share Posted July 23, 2014 I'm thinking about trackday at Mid-ohio July 28, any other Motards want to go and get yelled at with me....????? LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidgetTodd Posted July 23, 2014 Report Share Posted July 23, 2014 Have OMRL races the 26 and 27 at G&J and I work Monday. I won't be able to. Thinkng Putnam on the 11 th though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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