cptn janks Posted August 29, 2007 Report Share Posted August 29, 2007 When the constitution was written it was assumed that rational thought would still be used through the years. None of the founding fathers would have ever thought of a guy want to marry a guy. they never would have thought a white guy would want to marry a black girl either. doesnt mean we need an amendment about it. The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people. its right there, in clear english. its up to the states to decide if two dudes or a dog and a cat should be allowed to get married. not the federal government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattsn2o281 Posted August 29, 2007 Report Share Posted August 29, 2007 I love America, the America that was spelled out in the Constitution.. Yet you're a republican and a strong supporter of bush... Crazy, i never would have guessed you also supported the constitution. I didn't know the two could go together. lol, just kiddin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HotCarl Posted August 29, 2007 Report Share Posted August 29, 2007 Then you need to read up on Ron Paul. http://www.ronpaul2008.com/ If either he or Fred Thompson don't make it through the primaries, I'm voting Libertarian. All of the other candidates are terrible, on both sides. Everything I've seen, read, or heard about this guy I've liked. Especially his stance on the spreading of democracy. "we should spread democracy through good diplomacy, not with guns"-Ron Paul I thought he wouldn't make it this far but I've been hearing alot about him lately and he seem's like a really good candidate. Im sure there will be something about his platform I dont like but Im not going to agree with every candidate about everything. He did say something about creating a smaller Federal Government on John Stewart Show a few weeks ago, and getting rid of some government agencies. I would be afraid of the influx of unemployed federal workers if this happened but he didnt really get into specific's so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAOLE Posted August 29, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2007 they never would have thought a white guy would want to marry a black girl either. doesnt mean we need an amendment about it. The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people. its right there, in clear english. its up to the states to decide if two dudes or a dog and a cat should be allowed to get married. not the federal government. And Ohio decided!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HotCarl Posted August 29, 2007 Report Share Posted August 29, 2007 After Reading his platform I really like this guy. Here's what he said on the Patriot act: http://www.ronpaul2008.com/issues/privacy-and-personal-liberty/ On Iraq and war in general: http://www.ronpaul2008.com/issues/war-and-foreign-policy/ Imigration: http://www.ronpaul2008.com/issues/border-security-and-immigration-reform/ Imigration is probalby the only concern I would have about his platform, while I dont illegal immigrants I do think they serve somewhat of a purpose in today's society. It sounds like what he is proposing is to not only close off our border's but deport all current illegal imigrants aswell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAOLE Posted August 29, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2007 they never would have thought a white guy would want to marry a black girl either. well... they get the reproduction parts right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superchevy72 Posted August 29, 2007 Report Share Posted August 29, 2007 It sounds like what he is proposing is to not only close off our border's but deport all current illegal imigrants aswell. I fail to see a problem with this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAOLE Posted August 29, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2007 I fail to see a problem with this. Neither do I... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Science Abuse Posted August 29, 2007 Report Share Posted August 29, 2007 I fail to see a problem with this. After the last two terms of the Republican spend'o'crat, we cannot afford to implement this. Period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casper Posted August 29, 2007 Report Share Posted August 29, 2007 I like this guy. I haven't said that about a candidate ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superchevy72 Posted August 29, 2007 Report Share Posted August 29, 2007 After the last two terms of the Republican spend'o'crat, we cannot afford to implement this. Period. Make the ones that broke the law in the first place build the walls/fences, then kick em over to the other side of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Posted August 29, 2007 Report Share Posted August 29, 2007 I need to take my lazy ass and find a good video of his speeches. Guilani better not make it. Thats a joke. He has no NO reason in the world minus 9/11 that he should run. lolololol guiliani http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlqiYeET0TY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87GT Posted August 29, 2007 Report Share Posted August 29, 2007 Who is going to clean the bathrooms if we deport everyone? I sure am not scrubbing the shit off the walls... No really we can't afford to deport everyone. Lets focus on other things that have an higher importance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superchevy72 Posted August 29, 2007 Report Share Posted August 29, 2007 No really we can't afford to deport everyone. Lets focus on other things that have an higher importance. so we should just let anyone who wants to come into our country illegally, take our jobs (whether they are good jobs or not), Live off OUR tax money and basically turn our cities into festering piles of shit? What should we focus on then if not our own home? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87GT Posted August 29, 2007 Report Share Posted August 29, 2007 Lets focus on education because most Americans are unintelligent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superchevy72 Posted August 29, 2007 Report Share Posted August 29, 2007 Lets focus on education because most Americans are unintelligent. I think you prove your own point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Karacho1647545492 Posted August 29, 2007 Report Share Posted August 29, 2007 well... they get the reproduction parts right At the time the Constitution was written, a majority of people didn't consider blacks the same species as whites. Craniometry was one of the leading measures of ethnology and far into the 19th century polygenism was a very popular school of thought (Josiah Nott and George Gliddon were huge proponents). This went contrary to Darwin's theory of monogenism that all humans descended from one species and simply adapted or mutated to fit their surroundings. Saying that in colonial times would be equal to accusing some of beastiality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HotCarl Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 After the last two terms of the Republican spend'o'crat, we cannot afford to implement this. Period. I thought the same and thats why i stayed far away form any candidate with an R next to his name. But then i read his views on govt spending and taxes: http://www.ronpaul2008.com/issues/debt-and-taxes/ Of course this wouldnt be the first time a candidate has "lied" or bent the truth on his platform when campaigning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HotCarl Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 I fail to see a problem with this. As i said, I really like this guy and his platform. Its that small little fact of deporting ALL illegal immigrants that I was undecided about. The only reason I dont like it is because there may be 30 million + illegal immigrant in the country, and yes most/all of them are a burden to our society in some way or another, but some of them do occupy jobs whether they be jobs no one else wants its irrelevant... their still jobs. lets say half of those people hold meaningful jobs, so your just gonna chuck 15million of america's workforce? Then again, I hate the idea of giving them citizenship simply because their here and its just easier that way. Guess Im just looking at the logistics of removing a big chunk of America's blue collar workers. EDIT: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwZsBiZYocg&mode=user&search= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87GT Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 I think you prove your own point. I fail to follow your logic. Try again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superchevy72 Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 As i said, I really like this guy and his platform. Its that small little fact of deporting ALL illegal immigrants that I was undecided about. The only reason I dont like it is because there may be 30 million + illegal immigrant in the country, and yes most/all of them are a burden to our society in some way or another, but some of them do occupy jobs whether they be jobs no one else wants its irrelevant... their still jobs. lets say half of those people hold meaningful jobs, so your just gonna chuck 15million of america's workforce? Then again, I hate the idea of giving them citizenship simply because their here and its just easier that way. Guess Im just looking at the logistics of removing a big chunk of America's blue collar workers. EDIT: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwZsBiZYocg&mode=user&search= I see what your saying, but if they are deported that will create 15 million job opportunities for Americans that are in need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAOLE Posted August 30, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 At the time the Constitution was written, a majority of people didn't consider blacks the same species as whites. Craniometry was one of the leading measures of ethnology and far into the 19th century polygenism was a very popular school of thought (Josiah Nott and George Gliddon were huge proponents). This went contrary to Darwin's theory of monogenism that all humans descended from one species and simply adapted or mutated to fit their surroundings. Saying that in colonial times would be equal to accusing some of beastiality. I guess Jefferson and others were guilty,IIRC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAOLE Posted August 30, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 As i said, I really like this guy and his platform. Its that small little fact of deporting ALL illegal immigrants that I was undecided about. The only reason I dont like it is because there may be 30 million + illegal immigrant in the country, and yes most/all of them are a burden to our society in some way or another, but some of them do occupy jobs whether they be jobs no one else wants its irrelevant... their still jobs. lets say half of those people hold meaningful jobs, so your just gonna chuck 15million of america's workforce? Then again, I hate the idea of giving them citizenship simply because their here and its just easier that way. Guess Im just looking at the logistics of removing a big chunk of America's blue collar workers. EDIT: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwZsBiZYocg&mode=user&search= Sometimes doing the right thing is painful. I would assume the immigrant problem drains more on our economy (Medicaid, public schools,crime, enforcement, so on), than it contributes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAOLE Posted August 30, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 In addition, the Federal Reserve, our central bank, fosters runaway debt by increasing the money supply — making each dollar in your pocket worth less. The Fed is a private bank run by unelected officials who are not required to be open or accountable to “we the people.”-Ron Paul Very true!! We need to go back to the gold standard and eliminate the Federal Reserve. "Paper money has had the effect in your state that it will ever have, to ruin commerce, oppress the honest, and open the door to every species of fraud and injustice." - George Washington, January 9, 1787, in a letter to J. Bowen, Rhode Island Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tractor Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 The job market is doing just fine and basically anyone that can't find a job at the moment doesn't want a job. Don't argue with me about that one check it out for yourselves. Really aside from the media attempting to scare people about the sub prime crap the economy is still doing great. Evan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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